SPOILER: More Brisingr Rumors
And now some more rumors and descriptions of the third novel of Inheritance - Brisingr. These are two different versions of a description of the novel on Amazon: one from Amazon.com and the other from Amazon UK.
If you don’t want to be spoiled anything, please stop reading now. Otherwise, feel free to continue.
This is the description from Amazon.com:
Following the colossal battle against the Empire’s warriors on the Burning Plains, Eragon and his dragon, Saphira, have narrowly escaped with their lives. Still there is more at hand for the Rider and his dragon, as Eragon finds himself bound by a tangle of promises he may not be able to keep.
First is Eragon’s oath to his cousin Roran: to help rescue Roran’s beloved, Katrina, from King Galbatorix’s clutches. But Eragon owes his loyalty to others, too. The Varden are in desperate need of his talents and strength—as are the elves and dwarves. When unrest claims the rebels and danger strikes from every corner, Eragon must make choices— choices that take him across the Empire and beyond, choices that may lead to unimagined sacrifice.
Eragon is the greatest hope to rid the land of tyranny. Can this once-simple farm boy unite the rebel forces and defeat the king?
And then the other, this from Amazon UK:
Forces collide in Book III of the phenomenally successful Inheritance Cycle. Eragon represents the greatest hope for a better Alagaesia. Can this once simple farm boy rise to become a leader who can unite the rebel forces and defeat the King? Following the colossal battle against the Empire’s warriors on the Burning Plains, Eragon and his dragon, Saphira, have narrowly escaped with their lives. Still there is more at hand for the Rider and his dragon, as Eragon finds himself bound by a tangle of promises he may not be able to keep, including Eragon’s oath to his cousin Roran to help rescue Roran’s beloved, Katrina, from King Galbatorix’s clutches.But Eragon owes his loyalty to others, too. The Varden are in desperate need of his talents and strength, as are the elves and dwarves. When unrest claims the rebels and danger strikes from every corner, Eragon must make choices - choices that take him across the Empire and beyond, choices that may lead to unimagined sacrifice. Conflict, action, adventure and one devastating death await readers as Eragon battles on behalf of the Varden while Galbatorix ruthlessly attempts to crush and twist him to his own purposes.
Rich with a thoughtful examination of Eragon’s maturing psyche, “Brisingr” explores how Eragon must come to terms with his role as a leader and the moral obligations that weigh heavily upon his young shoulders as a Dragon Rider.
The second one includes much more information and can actually be used to project some of the plot of Brisingr. What are your thoughts on these?
I’m basing this off the title for the new book. Somewhere in the cycle, i think in Eragon, they mention something about a person saying water and ending up with a gemstone because they understand the true connection or something. Is it possible that eragon will completely master fire magic in Brisingr?
May 20th, 2008 at 1:47 pmI think brisingr is his true name. Chistopher keeps saying its more important than anyone would know and that seem pretty important to me.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:59 pmIts obviously not his real name because then when ever someone said his name, they’d gain control over him in battle. But mabe it reveals something else, maybe it reveals…….I don’t know. But it definently means a great deal of importance for the next book.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:13 amhmmmm… this is a real dilema for us Eragon lovers. my personal opinion is that brisingr is his element and he can control it better than anything else. as for the water+gemstone bit. it could be that Eragon could have fire come to his aid… its a real dilema and i guess we wont know for sure until we get to read the book. i for one cant wait until its released. then the wait for the end will be over… it has been a tremendous journey and an epic and exciting one. i hope u guyes and gyals feel the same.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pmwell i still think it could be his true name. Don’t they always talk about how you can say one thing and mean something else? Maybe you have to mean it as his name ans to control him.
June 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pmHey ppl
I also think Brisingr is really important.
Personally i think its part of his true name but there has to be more:
maybe somthing like “Controller of Fire”
or
“Fire Warrior” or something else but im pretty sure it has something to do with Brisingr
If u guys have ideas say’em!
June 3rd, 2008 at 10:00 amI just had a thought. it kind of stems from the water gemstone thing. After saying fire, perhaps one can create a dragon and the other rumor says eragon will meet a god. What if he meets the god of wind, Eragon can make the fire and they can create a dragon. It’s just a thought. Probably a dumb one just putting in my two cents
June 3rd, 2008 at 10:09 pmMy thought is that maybe he learns to pull energy from fire because somewhere in Eldest (I couldn’t find it) it says that theoreticaly you should be able pull the energy from fire, wind and water. That’s what i think will happen
June 5th, 2008 at 12:42 pmOromis says that gravity, fire, light and electricity are the most powerful forces of nature. on page 541 of eldest, Eragon asks if he could draw energy from “…light or fire…” So, a few possibilities,
June 6th, 2008 at 5:01 pm1. he could become extremely powerful in fire. (mastery)
2. he could learn to draw power from fire, (although if he did that, he would
have to die, as he would gain super-human powers) it seems unlikely,
though unless he discovers it at the last minute while fighting Galbatorix.
3. he could meet the god of fire, who grants him mastery.
4. he could gain mastery in the vault of souls.
5. the ‘weapon’ under the menoa tree could be Eragon’s (the originals)
sword. and as they have names, the sword could be named brisingr.
Maybe the god is actually the one who galbatorix might have already met and learnt the secrets of power and now eragon will do the same.
June 7th, 2008 at 3:34 pmi personally have to agree with the sword being named brisingr. although some think Eragon has already received the weapon under the menoa tree
June 8th, 2008 at 2:20 amHello ppl.
Personnally, I think it goes as such:
June 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pminsofar, elves “have never seen a miracle” (said as such in the book) and the dwarves cannot actually prove substantially as to the existence of their gods. However, we DO know spirits exist! CP has given us two information: that Eragon would “meet a god” and that he would “encounter a terrible enemy [...] he likes to laugh a lot, and not in a good way”. Something makes me think that the two spoilers are linked, and the word “god” is not used in its’ litteral sense, and that CP is actually referring to a monstrously powerful spirit. What eragon would encounter could then be quite possibly some sort of shade or similar creature.
this doesn’t really have any thing to do with what we’re talking about but do you think brom could be eragons father. I have reasons. For instance he went to carvahal to hide everyone thinks its because eragon is morzan’s son and brom is watching him but what if its because hes broms son. Also in Eragon eragon asks brom about selena and he says he knew her well enough to miss her when she was gone. Mabye he loved her. Also angela she he loved someone but that was her downfall. Mabye selna got pregnat with brom and then she died trying to protect her baby to be. Its alot but i just want to know what you guys think.
June 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pmi have read your ideas and have constructed a theory about the green dragon. first of all it could have been arya that stole saphiras egg and in process managed to rescue the green dragon egg as well. arya could have had the green one hatched to her as her eyes are green and eragon found a green dragon shell in elesmera. brom said that galbortirix has 2 eggs and thorn has hatched so it could mean that he has no more or that there is another other than greeni.
June 10th, 2008 at 3:16 amas for brisingr it could mean that it is the gods name or the gos might not be a god but a fire spirit perhaps. it could even be eragons new blade as eragons fire is blue and fire could be blue not red.
June 10th, 2008 at 3:18 amroots of the monoa tree could mean that there might be broms old blade in there or it could be like a history roots. rocks of kuthian and the vault of souls i believe is in the helgrind or is the helgrind. the vault of souls is the way i believe that shades get their powers from.
June 11th, 2008 at 7:16 amarya and eragon. as i posted before arya might be greeni’s rider. so when eragon slays galbortorix(yes i do believe he would) i believe that this makes eragon up high in the ranks of elves therefore making him socially able to mate with arya and perhaps become the first elf couple to marry.
June 11th, 2008 at 7:18 amRoran and Katrina. In the first book when Angela gave Eragon his fortune telling she said that he would leave Alagaesia and never return. Also when Eragon and Saphira had an meeting whith hrothgar in Farthen Dur eragon said that if he overthrew galbortorix he would not become king. so therefore i believe that roran will become king. he has led carvahall into the spine and into surda defying galbotorix in his wake. i dont believe nasuada will become queen as i belive she will be killed in the third book either by galbortorix or muhrtag.
June 11th, 2008 at 7:24 amOkay here goes: Regarding the green dragon, I think that the green dragon has already hatched… In Eldest Eragon steps upon a “shard of green dragon egg”. The major character most likely to die is either glaeder or oromis due to the depiction of glaeder on the cover. Due to the title “Brisingr”, I think that either:
1) Brisingr either be or be part of Eragon’s true name
2) Brisingr will be the name of Eragon’s sword, which will be found in the ancesteral roots of the menoa tree
3) Eragon will learn to draw power from fire
4) Eragon will become a true master of fire (ability to say fire and cause something completely different to happen)
5) ???
Galbatorix shall not be defeated in Brisingr. Murtagh will be a dangerously treacherous enemy for the Varden, he may betray Nasuada directly…
If anyone has any other theories post them here or on my website’s inheritance page
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I have seen several times (and not only on this site) the theory that the green dragon already hatched, with support from the quote “shard of green dragon egg”! Now honestly, people, that’s absurd! Eragon did so at the stone of broken eggs, in Du Wendelvarden and I doubt galbatorix will have hidden it there… he can’t in any case!! And scenaristically, it would be a MESS!!! So I think it goes thus:
June 17th, 2008 at 4:55 pmThe next rider has been announced by Paolini (I saw an interview somewhere) as someone completely unexpected… so I think Arya can be ruled out, she’s just too obvious a candidate… Having studied Eragon’s first vision after he dragged Garrow from the farm (that vision with a couple goin’ in a boat & two dragons overhead and all that), I think the man in the couple is Eragon. The woman is then his true love, possibly the new rider. So the new rider has a good chance of being a she! It would also mean that Eragon will not end up with Arya but realize his heart lies elswhere (that’d be cool, Arya pisses me off BAD)
think that roran will be the rider of the green dragon. its just a thought
June 18th, 2008 at 11:15 amthere are only three dragoons and in eragons premonition its a girl
June 18th, 2008 at 9:56 pmOk one thing i have to say supporting the Brom is Eragon’s father theory is that it not only sais that Brom missed Eragons mom but it also said that Brom was jealous of or wanted everything Morzan had. Something along those lines at least. I think that includes his woman. My other thought is that Angela either was a rider, which is how she seems to know so much and is acompanied by a wiercat, or she will be a rider. She has always struck me as more important than she at first seems…
June 19th, 2008 at 1:09 amAngela is pretty important. Guys…don’t forget that Saphira still has to reveal things to eragon. She can keep secrets very well. SHe knew brom was a rider…she knows many things. What secrets can e in store for eragon?
When eragon is without weapon…hmm…look under the roots of the meoa tree…I agree with brightscales on this one. Brisingr could be the name of the sword. The “weapon” is probably broms because his is the only blue (saphire) Sword left…and your swrod should be colour as your dragon. And if Brom IS eragons father…its rightfully eragons..it his inheritance…If it is brom sword…and if eragon kills murtagh….he’ll be like his father (if brom id=s his father) who killed morzan…murtaghs father..(and apparently eragons)
thats what I think…see ya later.
June 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pmDragongirl
The whole thing is about inheritance. The Inheritance cycle…..murtaghs inheritance…eragons inheritance…roran and nasuadas …..yep
June 19th, 2008 at 12:38 pmAll of your theories are really good!
I believe Brisingr to be the name of his new ‘Wepon’ or a part of his true name
I dont think that Brom could be his father because Murtagh said they looked like each other and i dont think Morzan would of let brom near eragons mother! I beleieve the new rider will be a girl but not Ayra beacsue shes to ovious and she pisses me off(no offence)maybe a new character or Angela ! I also beleive that murtagh wiil play a big part and i think that he will find a way to release him self from the King G. I believe that Eragon will continue to lover ayra or maybe the new rider but the new rider will have to be a princess maybe the new rider will love murtagh,
I think Rowan will be king beacsuse he has royal bllod and is human I hope he is going to be king at least
I cant wait untill Brisinger
June 20th, 2008 at 8:38 amI think Brisingr is really important it was the first thing he did with magic and the way he discovered magic. I think if the green egg had hatched to Arya we would know about it because it would be rather hard to hide a a dragon especially with both the varden and empire so eager to get the new riders on their side. And I think there might- keep in mind this is a theory and a hope- be other dragons out there, wild dragons most likely in the hadarac desert because it’s so vast and Saphira really liked it there, it’s very far fetched but there is a possibility. I think the idea of brom being eragon’s father is awesome but I’m sad because Murtagh and eragon make such good brothers.
June 21st, 2008 at 2:30 amI believe that Brom is Eragon’s father for three reasons. One: When Earagon’s mother left murtagh I believe it was to see Brom. I believe that they were in love and that she had Brom’s child. It didn’t say for sure how long she was gone. Two: Blagden tells eragon that he is as blind as his father. Morzan may have been evil but he definetly wasn’t blind. He was cunning. However brom was blind in his worship of Morzan and failed at many of his tasks. Three: Blagden says to Eragon “While two may be two, and one is certainly one, one may be two” I think that it mean that while two brothers may be two brothers (Murtagh and Eragon) and one mother may be one mother (Salina) one father may be two fathers (Morzan and Brom) Chew on that and let me know what you think.
June 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pmthe riddle thing with Blagden was another one of the reasons i thought brom was eragons father i just thought my thing was getting a little long so i didn’t write it down.
June 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pmWhat about little freak girl with the varden? I bet she has something important to do. maybe sacrifice herself for something big. And what about….king orrin? king ofthe southern place, crap its been so long. anyway he might be a canidate for king.
June 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pmwell eragon is sapossed to reverse his “blessing” on the little girl. And King Orrin isn’t exactly the best king.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pmDo Not Read if you Dont Want anything SPOiled!
It said in one of the spoilers up top that in the battle in the third book that Eragon represents the sole hope for the good of Alagaesia. Therefore if there is a new rider he/she wont be revealed till after battle OR he/she will be in training or hiding.
Also, i keep hearing people say that Nasuada will die, nothing has happened to make this probable so live in hope people.(not actually what i was gonna say but i forgot)
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pmPersonnally I am extremely skeptical about Brom being Eragon’s dad! Honestly, maybe the the thing about him and a woman is jsut a mere anecdote of no importance… and of course, there is the one big big detail wich no one seems to have mentioned: when Murthag said that they were brothers, that Morzan was their father, HE SAID IT IN THE ANCIENT LANGUAGE! I strongly believes that puts a dead end to any hope of Brom being Eragons’ father… sorry to be such a killerjoy, but it’s all too logical!
And about Blagdens’ enigma: I think it’s clear that we’re nowhere near to finding what it means than that whole buisness about the rock of Kuthian! So I say lets’ not grow too impatient, people, the whole damn thing will only take on its’ meaning when the time of fulfillment actually come!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:26 pmwell Murthag did believe morzan was his father so he could easily still say it. It’s not a lie if he believes it. They talk about that when earagon writes his poem too.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pmI completely agree that Brom is Eragon’s father. The moment I saw that comment when Brom says he knew Selena in the first book I was like: Brom is SO his father. The whole Murtagh saying Morzan was his father incident in the ancient languge did throw me off a bit BUT I think thats only becuase Murtagh THOUGHT what he was saying was true, as so many people say. The Blagden quote also backs up my theory strongly. Theres a site that has all the details about this riddle (its very CLEVER and has you convinced that Brom MUST be his father).
Brisingr is either a PART of Eragon’s true name OR it is his true essence or somehting like that. I like the theory that the sword under the Menoa tree is Brom’s old sword (which will be blue) and its name (like Za’rock) is Brisingr. Eragon’s nickname (from the Urgals), afterall, is Firesword.
I hope the new rider isn’t Arya. I hate her, she’s so bitter and up herself. It’s too obvious anyway, please I need a SUPRISE. She’s not a good match for Eragon either. I DO want the rider to be female though, too many men in this book. I like Nasuada, can it be her??
Oh, and its PRETTY obvious that the Vault of Souls is the secret to Murtagh’s and Galbotorix’s immence magical ability. The last bit in ELDEST even mentions that the mystery Rider’s (Murtagh’s) mind was full of faint, echoing, lost voices…or something like that, can’t be bothered to find the quote.
Someone before also mentioned that the green egg may have already hatched becuase of the quote in ELDEST that he stepped on the shards of GREEN eggshell. I think its an interesting theory…but it just doesn’t make sense. WHY would the elves or who ever hatched the egg hide this?? Why would it be hatched in the middle of Du Weldenvarden? That would also mean that the Rider must be an elf, and that would be a random character. Seriously annoying that would be.
I can’t think of anything else to say…but I’m liking some of these theories. Anymore???
June 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pmThe new rider is so Katrina’s daughter.
Let me explain.
Roran and Katrina had sex before she was taken.
Galbatorix uses magic to make the baby grow up quickly, like what happened to Elva only further.
The egg hatches for her.
Now Eragon faces 3x evil riders, AND one of them is his brother and the other one is his second cousin.
All relatives- ties into Inheritance theme.
PS- I posted this theory on the other chat board as well.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:28 pmbrom is eragon’s father, there’s no doubt about it. blagden’s riddle, angela’s telling of selena’s fortune, the little snippets about brom having loved a woman, and failing at everything it all fits in. Also, morzan’s dragon must have been red (zaroc is red), Thorn is red. Brom’s dragon was blue, and named saphira. Inheritance on both counts. as for the weapon under the roots of the menoa tree, i’m not so sure the book is referring to the actual tree, perhaps it means the scroll presented to eragon by oromis with a picture of the tree on it. It could be instructions on finding brom’s sword, or a very powerful spell. The next rider could possibly be Roran. Eragon and Saphira have too much to do before they leave Alagasia for good, it won’t happen in the third book. Murtagh will die, Eragon will have no choice in the matter, and he will be forced to use the weapon found under the tree (on the scroll), and that is when “all seems lost” and he will seek out his name (Brisinger, possibly in combination with more words) and then the vault of souls. Ive read both books three times, and am about to start for a forth time. i dont think i missed anything, but im not sure
June 26th, 2008 at 1:25 amOMG. Post number 37 is TOO far-fetched. Really creative I’ll give you that, but unfortunately I seriously doubt that whole scenario. However, I agree that Katrina may be pregnant and that her baby could play an important but the whole using magic to make it grow up and making it the new rider is just….over the top ridiculous. I agree entirely with comment 38, its almost OBVIOUS that Brom is Eragon’s father when you think about it.
I like these predictions. Some of them, like post 37, I’d never even consider!
June 26th, 2008 at 6:02 amOK. I need to stop writing down these pointless discussions. Its just that I can’t get over these books lol.
2 months sounds like such a LONG time………hurry up book 3.
Hi
June 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pmi am getting seriously annoyed with the prediction Roran is the new Rider it is conman sense Eragon and Murtage have both inherited the ability being a Rider Murtage gets it from Morsan and Eragon ether Morsan or Brom (Brom most likely) so Roran has no connection to the Riders lines also Eragon sees him and a female Rider going away. So it is more likely to be a female rider but i have read the books 3 times and i cant find anywhere that a female rider has existed if i am wrong tell me were it mentions a female rider but i think that everything will be more complexed than it seems but i cant wait for brisingr
ok i think that murtagh will turn out good in a whole darth vader killing the emporer thing and sacrifice himself for the greater good! i think the theory that brom is eragons dad as ridiculious, cuz it wuld mess it up completely (eragon having to struggle to throw of the legacy of his dad) and i think that the roran wuld be a good king
June 26th, 2008 at 6:44 pmmethinks that brisingr is part of eragons name, e.g …………fire or fire of ……., it could be that that he accidentally burns down du weldenvarden hehe, i think we should just wait until the book comes out and discuss the MAIN reason it is called brisingr
June 26th, 2008 at 10:48 pmI dont know exactly what it has to do with the story, Im just surprised that nobody had brought it up. In the first book brom told eragon seven words to use in the ancient language only in great need. I dont know what it could mean, maybe to find out his true name or to gain power, not sure. Ideas?
June 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pmHere are my takes- brisingr is definitely more important than it seems. In book one (pg. 140) it says “‘Brisingr’. The fire flared, and a shiver ran through Eragon. Something about the word made him feel incredibly alive.” I think this is a pretty good indication that brisingr is part of Eragon’s true name. Obviously, brisingr was the first magical word he heard and used and it was the word that earned him his other name- Shadeslayer. He also killed Urgals with it and deflected Thorn’s flames. Eragon mentioned to Oromis in book 2 that Brom told him it was amazing how much he could do with just brisingr so it seems like Eragon will somehow learn to summon the true essence of fire in a short amount of time (relatively- I’m betting book 4).
If you think about it, Brom has to be Eragon’s father. Recall Blagden, the white raven, and his riddles- “Father and son both blind as bats.” And “While two may share two, And one of two is certainly one, One might be two.” Brom befriended and trusted Morzan only to be betrayed and Eragon did the same with Murtagh. The second riddle implies that two sons (Eragon and Murtagh) “may” share the same two parents (Morzan and Selena),
and one parent (Selena) is certainly the mother of both sons, the supposed one father that they shared could be two- Brom and Morzan. Also, Eragon inherited a blue female dragon like Brom and Murtagh a red male dragon like his father. C’mon think about it ppl!
Last thing- I think the green dragon has to be Arya’s. If for no other reason because of Eragon’s vision in book one where two figures are sailing away forever with two dragons flying overhead.
June 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pmthe last dragon cant have hatched yet because mutagh tells eragon the last dragon egg is a male and saphira is the last female of the race, and i dont think the green dragon will hatch until the fourth book becuase it shows a picture of glaedr not the new dragon
June 27th, 2008 at 8:48 pmi think most of these are wrong. alot of you forget that eragon will be in love with royalty. that means it can only be arya or naseuda. if naseuda die though, it may be her successor, possibly a girl dragon rider, that some people think may appear
June 28th, 2008 at 3:27 amFrom what i’ve gathered, CP says that the new rider will be unexpected, what about Elva?? they said a female and shes young. From what i remember reading in the books, the eggs hatch for children, they talk about shipping the eggs back in forth so all the elf and varden children can try to get it to hatch. So in that theory, ary whose like 100 is ruled out, and Angela i don’t know how old she is, but shes not a child, like elva. In the vision, Elva may be leaving so she doesn’t have to deal with saving other people all of the time, and Eragon is going with her because the dragons have mated.
June 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pmhmm all dis adds up
katrina was kidnaped to lure roran as he could be a canditate for the last egg.
1)brisingr is a part of or is eragons true name
2) the last egg has not hatched
3) brom is eragons father.
4) the last rider may or may not be female
5) the guy crying at the beach in the prenomition eragon had ,is eragon himself
6) the menoa tree holds broms sword ( though it was broken it may have been repaired)
7) vault of souls will be given in the n4th book
9)i dont know wat u guys have agaisnt arya…but she is eragons lover…n probably she is also leaving on the boat
bwahhaha touche mr paulini
June 29th, 2008 at 8:07 amrohan, u have just echoed my exact thoughts. i agree with all of that and think you are the only one i agree with on this board
June 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pmi think that the people that eragon saw in his vision (the one where they were going on a boat)was roran and katrina and its because i think the last egg is in helgrind and one of them will find it and make the race of dragons over
June 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pmdude dont u guys think that maybe eragon is to weak to defeat galby and murtagh will instead
June 29th, 2008 at 4:41 pmrohan, pretty much everything you said in post 48 is a given. So obvious it doesn’t even warrant putting forward. However, you did have some interesting points. I like the idea that the man screaming on the beach is Eragon. It would be a twist that no-one would expect but would work.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pmArya will probably end up falling for Eragon and I will be disappointed because I would rather see her die, but that’s not CP’s way.
The last rider may or may not be female- very, very profound.
Brisingr being part of Eragon’s true name is an interesting, but overly debated and completely stale point. It would not be his exact true name, and if it is part of his true name there will be some other connotation as well- otherwise there’s not enough of a connection.
Yes, the weapon Eragon gets will be Brom’s sword, and yes, Brom is probably his father. Both points have been posted numerous times.
It was already established in the second book why Katrina was kidnapped- the fact that it was Sloan that betrayed her meant that it could not possibly be anything else.
It is likely that the third egg has not hatched, and it is also likely that the third egg will not hatch until book 4.
The vault of souls has to be in book 4, because the sword will be in book 3, and the prophesy was in book 1, and if you introduce something in the first book you have to tie it up in either the first or last book.
And a comment that does not relate to your post- NEITHER ARYA OR RORAN ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT RIDER!!!! And everyone has put forward ideas surrounding both of them, so if you, out of the blue, say, “I wonder if the next rider will be (insert Roran or Arya’s name here)”, you do not sound intelligent or original, so please refrain.
It could be:
Vanir
Katrina
Elva
Trianna (although she will most likely become a shade, hence the new laughing villain)
Orik (remember he said it might come as a surprise)
Some new character
PS Eragon’s mother’s name makes me think of MIB II.
June 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pmIn response to Karen (21), I never once insinuated that the last dragon egg of Galbatorix has hatched. I stated that the GREEN dragon has already hatched. Nowhere in any of the books or interviews with CP has it been said in any way or form that the last dragon egg is green, there is however a hint that there is a green dragon… Now think about this, don’t just say IMPOSSIBLE without using your brain and considering ALL of the many possibilities. Is it not possible that the green dragon (which we have evidence of from interviews etc)may have in fact already hatched? That in fact Galbatorix’s last egg is not the green dragon but a separate factor? Open your eyes and imaginations to ALL possibilities rather than scorning other people’s ideas: especially if you don’t have the imagination or logical skills required to read between the lines and come up with a UNIQUE idea, rather than one you copied from another website or chatroom.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmi think that the weapon under the menoa tree will be the first eragons
July 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pmjust about the whole brom bein eragons father
Muhrtagh said that Morzan was eragons father in the ancient language…but you can lie in the language if you belive what ur saying is true.
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 amI think that this fragment of a green dragon egg could possibly be a wild dragon
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 amWith regards to the “god” situation, I think that one of the characters already there will become a god in some way. How it will happen, i have no idea, but Paolini is an atheist like the elves, and i don’t think he’d want to prove them wrong by revealing a dwarf god. So maybe one of the characters becomes a god, then the elves would still be kinda right. But that’s unlikely.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmso we all want to know why “fire” is so important and im kinda perplexed as to how all of us missed this part…
Eragon pg. 34
“… With that underhanded blow, he gained dominance over Vrael and removed his head with a blazing sword.”
wouldnt it make sense that if Galbatorix took off the head of the best of the old riders, Vrael, with a sword of flame then Eragon, the best of the new riders, would take off Galbatorix’s head with a sword of flame? it may have absolutely nothing to do with anything, i just thought it was interesting.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmreplying to Brightscales (54) (I’d just like to clarify and calm things down), sorry if I misinterpreted something or sounded like a huge prat, I sometimes don’t really realise I’m saying crap regarding other people. But don’t get me wrong, A lot of the things people say here, I actually considered them and I even PRAY for some of them to happen (really it would be a very good scenarisctic twister if Brom was Eragons’ dad), but no matter how much I read & reread the book “IN BETWEEN THE LINES” like you say, I just can’t see how some of those rumours could fit… but if I’m proved wrong and somebody got a good guess about what’s going to happen in Brisingr I thought impossible, I’d gladly give him a handshake!
To get back to the subject, about the person that’s going to die at the end of Brisingr as CP hinted, I think it could either be Arya or Elva, because if they die that would be a real and painful blow for Eragon, maybe giving him a personnality shift that will make the fourth book a lot more interesting because with a completely different Eragon. There’s also the likely possibility of Oromis, but personnally I think it would be a pain because it’s in my view simply too easy for a book ending (I mean, he’s ill and weak and a lot of people will excpect him to drop dead soon, so it wouldn’t really be a surprise). I hope CP will impress us on that point
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:32 pmOn the other board i said that maybe god stood for something, meant something in another language, or was some dead dude from the books brom, eragon 1, someone who’ll die in brisnger… oh and that god is the name of a land across the sea and they’ll help beat up galbatorix.
in all reality i think that with the way most books work that greeni’s rider will be a minor character. So who are minor character in the books? IU think Vanir is way too vain, and Elva is a bit too… well preocupied. shes like nasuada’s bodygaurd in a weird way.
i think that galbatorix will use katrina as bait for roran and eragon. or if he doesnt know eragon is going with roran he will catch roran. i think that maybe galbatorix will catch eragon, lock him away, then he’ll escape with the last egg. oh and with saphira there he’ll use those words brom gave him to break murtagh, galbatorix dragon, or whoever else might be in there spell.
i agree that brisinger may be his true name. or it may be a word in a spell to do something like summon a god or stuff like that.
what do you eragons new sword will be named. that could be brisinger or whatever. and then the elf who made the riders sword said that she or he i dont remember hat wont make any morwe
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:43 pmIf anything, I think the Most likly to occurr Battle of Uru’Baen would last the end of brisgner adn the 4th book. perhaps the battle could begin with a massive urgal attack on the city to weaken Galbatorix, not to mention eliminate the urgals. That would kill two birds with one swipe, as Firestar would say. Then perhaps Oromis and Glaeder would attack galbatorix, weaken him and probably kill themselves. A new rider would probably appear at the mid section and change the battles course, probably arya for the side show romance. Murtagh would most likly not participate, perhaps killing himself with magic and allowing thorn to assist eragons side. The battle will be fierce, all races battling galbatorix. In the end will eragon prevail? Well he will but lets allow you to bumble your crazy minds? Happy summer
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:56 pmOh, i forgot and Eragon and Arya would leave alegesia and Live happily ever after on and Offshore island like Sharptooth island and assist the world when nesesary, a link of all races
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:59 pmthomas, the urgals arent nessecarily evil. and u didnt mention greeni. and we’re chatting about book3 not 4.ur ahead of yourself. anyway…
ps since my bro thomas failed to mention firestar is a cat in a book we read sometimes…..
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pmi think oramis and his dragon will die. there like ANCIANT and glaedyr is on the over- the7 must plan a hunormous part in it. something like they sacrifice themselves for eragon. like he needs a trememnedous amount of energy so oromis lets himself be drained for energy as he said can be done from the surroundings. something like a spell with brisigner in it… really huge like bring bck the dead or break murtagh’s spell or galbatorix’s dragon’s or summon a god to smoosh galba. that sounds like fun to me…
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pmI think is goes as such:
as I said before, everyone is expecting oromis & glaedr to die soon, so I believe that that will just be it… no stupendous death for him in my view… maybe he’ll do like Yoda and die when Eragon comes back, but I don’t think CP wants to make a fuss about what everyone already knows… he seems to want to surprise the readers big time (I pray he will)… he already indicated that the new rider is someone unexpected and that a major character is gonna die… and in my view Oromis is not THAT important!
about that new rider… if it is to be someone COMPLETELY unexpected, here’s the crazyiest possibilities (but viable, that is to say I don’t mention dwarfs for example, it was clearly said that they cannot be riders… unless of course, CP thinks it otherwise halfway through the book):
-Islanzadi
July 4th, 2008 at 9:45 am-Lord Daethedr
-Vanir
-Jarsha (I’m particularly convinced on that one, he’s young, inexperienced and with a role almost like wallpaper… it fits d:D )
-Nolfavrell (same arguments as Jarsha, though he is obviously more important)
-A new character we don’t know yet (but with, once again, a role like wallpaper)
hear me out on this one:
1. Roran is the major character who dies.
July 4th, 2008 at 7:24 pm2. Eragon saves Katrina to fulfill his promise to Roran.
3. Arya is the new Green Dragon Rider.
4. Even though Arya is Eragon’s true love, Arya already said its not going to happen, so Eragon marries Katrina because both he and Katrina think it’s necessary for Roran’s memory.
5. Eragon and Katrina are the ones getting on the boat from Eragon’s dream, with Arya already on the boat.
6. The man on the beach is Murtagh, who is new king of Alagaesia, but hes screaming because Thorn is killed. (maybe not the reason hes screaming, but Thorn dies at some point.)
7. The two dragons in the sky are Saphira and Aryas Green dragon.
OK i have just had a brainwave whilst reading all these things. I love The Inheritance series but am so unsure with all the rumors flying around but do you think that…maybe Brom is Eragons UNCLE. AFter all he said he knew Selene enough to miss her and Murtagh said in the ancient language that Morzan was their father so he couldn’t have been lying.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:05 amJust a though
Let me know oxox
Just something else i would like to add. I really think that Brom is more than an old rider watching Eragon. I thought that as Eragon’s uncle it would fit that he was there to Guard Eragon from the Empire. Also it would fit into the whole Inheritance thing. I think that it is not just Eragon getting the Inheritance. I think that somehow he will inherit Brom’s sword but don’t forget-Saphira inherited her name to. from Broms dragon. Not to mention Murtag and Eragon inheritated their fight. Murtah fights as his father did and Eragon takes up Brom’s place in the circle. But maybe im wrong. I;d like to hear some opinions though oxox
July 5th, 2008 at 12:30 amit is completely possible that arya already has a dragon (the green one mentioned over and over again by posters and not once in any book). if there is a green dragon, it’s possible that it hatched many years ago on the stone of broken eggs to arya. her eyes and magic are always green. She has extraordinary power, even among the elves, she cares deeply about bringing the dragons back, eragon will be loved by a noblewoman, (nasuada is ruled out because she is not noble, only a chosen rebel leader), arya was the most trusted member of the elves and the varden (elsewise she would not have been the egg courier), she knows this bit of information cannot be revealed to eragon yet because he needs to complete his training. Also, i wonder about the possibility of oromis being gallbatorix’s father. that would explain the whole cripple who is whole thing, and how gallbatorix is increasing in power every day. he’s half elf. the god that eragon will meet is helzvog, the dwarf god of fire, and helzvog will grant him control over fire. the weapon under the roots of the menoa tree is actually eragon’s true name given to him on the scroll by oromis.
July 6th, 2008 at 5:23 pmI agree.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:31 pmIn the unlikely event of Arya being the third rider, it is mandatory for the egg to have already hatched. I think Jeod has something to do with it, perhaps long ago he managed to smuggle two eggs out but lost the green one, which Arya found.
It would be funny if the third dragon had already hatched and been eaten by a wind viper, along with the new rider. That would be a surprise, but I somehow think CP’s not that kind of person.
Roran is strong minded but Katrina has him around her finger.
darth, i’m not sure i understand…first you say you agree, but you think it unlikely? secondly, how would a third rider being eaten be funny? and how would it have anything to do with the story whatsoever? thirdly, if jeod had managed to smuggle other eggs out, i think he would have shared that little tidbit with someone. maybe you should try reading the books before trying to figure out what happens in the next one.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:24 amhas anyone considered that arya lost her lover when she was first attacked by durza? i think one of the elves killed in the ambush is the same elf she has a fairth of in her room next to evander’s. I firmly believe Eragon and Arya are going to hook up. So far, she is the only woman of nobility mentioned that we know of. Also, as i stated above, i believe she is or will be the next rider. It could very well be that she doesn’t want to encourage Eragon’s advances, not only so he can focus on his training, but also because she’s not quite over her loss. just a theory, intelligent feedback appreciated. -A
July 7th, 2008 at 6:08 amfrom wikipedia.org: The cover, featuring the gold dragon Glaedr, was illustrated by John Jude Palencar. The content of the cover was one of the few things initially confirmed by Paolini. The cover was to feature an emerald-green dragon looking to the right.[6] However, Paolini later indicated that this was affected by the expansion of the series to a four-book cycle, but did not explain the change at the time.[7] this is the only reference i’ve found referring to an emerald green dragon….Emerald is signifigant in regard to Arya being the next rider.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:27 amwow amazing… i agree with the whole brom being eragons uncle not father.
ps. by the way some of u have mentioned that saphira inherited her name from broms dragon… this is not true brom merely said it and eragon asked saphira it does not mean she inherited it.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:20 ami forgot one important person…welll two king orrin and nausada. i believe that nasuada will die however if she lives she will not marry eragon as he does not like her and she is not royalty as angela said he would marry royalty. so i believe that if she survives, cp, will ake the varden and surda lay seige to uru-baen with the help of urgals(by the way this is for books 3 & 4) and in the process king orrin will be killed and therefor after the sirge nausuada will be made queen of surda and the varden will move into surda. by the way if u do nt agree with me i dont care i constructed this theory(like some of u have also done) based on hate. i hate king orrin i think he is an old fool.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:33 amhas anyone read ERAGON AND ELDEST?? Brom’s last words to eragon were: “her name was Saphira.” he was referring to his dragon. Read the first book again robbo. This is too much. How can you even waste your time trying to predict things when you don’t even know what happened in the first two books? The series is called: INHERITANCE for a reason. The entire story works because of family ties much like star wars, lord of the rings etc., etc. The fact is Brom was Eragon’s father, his dragon was named Saphira, and Eragon’s dragon inherited the name just like Eragon inherited the old fight with Morzan through Murtagh. Some things we will not know until the next books come out because they will be invented fresh by CP. Other things however we can definitely know for sure by deductive reasoning and ruling out all other possibilities based on the facts given.
July 7th, 2008 at 1:40 pmdude everyone is entitled to thier opinion and that is mine if it is wrong then sorry if i annoyed u but that is what i said and im not taking it back
July 7th, 2008 at 6:32 pmI would like to firstly accept the apology of Karen (60) and apologise for being snappy.
Whatever happens I can’t wait for this book to come out; knowing CP the actual outcome will be a complete twist from everyone’s theories and will just make us want to read on ever more…
July 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pmKeep the theories coming everyone!!!
above i have put forward some ideas but i have to add to brightscales last comment. when brisingr is released it will meet several expectations and several of the things will happen that we have discussed and some things wont happen. cp is a great writer and he will make something else to surprise us so keep coming up with ideas but dont get carrried away…after all we dont want alll the secrets to be revealed
July 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pmHeres what I think:
1. Brom is obviously Eragons father I mean just read all these comments and i kindve guessed at it after reading the 1st book.
2. The rock of kuthian is helgrind i mean theres not really any other big rock that fits.
3.Eragon might possibly learn the name of the ancient language himself because Brom had told him that it would give him power over all other magic users.
4.I have no clue who the god hes going to meet his but I’m going to take a stab at it and say the dwarf god Helzvog or something.
5. I dont think Katrinas pregnant but I think the new rider could possibly be Eragons elven dueling partner i forget his name.
More comments please!!!
July 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pmBrom couldnt be Eragons uncle because it says in the book he grew up in a town in the north above the spine not Carvhall but i forget its name, its mentioned in Eldest.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pmI like the comment that the new green dragon could possibly be a wild dragon and maybe Arya finds it and they become dragon and rider. Just a thought.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:44 pmminy mike thats aload of pants what you just said certain words have to be said over the egg before it hatches for it to be bound to a riderr its in eldest somewhere. read the book!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 6:55 amwhere the fuck did it say he would meet a god and helzvog was’nt god of fire. i don’t think lots of this stuff is important but i love ideas and respect everything. i thnk that arya is the new rider i like her (don’t hate me) her and era gon will have sex go to old elve land and be happy
July 8th, 2008 at 1:54 pmalso enjoy rumor time it is short and sometimes waiting is better than getting
July 8th, 2008 at 1:56 pmWell since it is of great importance it could be the name of the ancient language. nobody knows it but he could find out that the word is either part of the name of the ancient language or the name of it itself
July 8th, 2008 at 1:57 pmin my last post i forgot to mention something
July 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pmBrisingr (title) could be the name of the ancient language
I’m just saying what is in my mind but maybe eragon learns how to heal orosmis or whatever his name is and orosmis kills galbatorix and eragon kills murtagh. just putting it out there
July 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pmI’ve got his crazy idea that Murtagh and Nasuada are in love and Murtagh ends up working with Eragon to save Nasuada and the Varden. To number 88, I don’t think brisingr is the name of the Ancient Language because it is a word in the afore mentioned language. Maybe it is jsut the title because it was the first word Eragon learned in the Ancient Language. Can’t wait until September!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:24 pmI think the nasuada and murtagh thing could be true because she always spent a lot of time visiting him when he was in jail
July 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmi agree bu now he’s evil and she has a sense of duty that would prevent anything
July 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pmbrinsinger is not the name of the language because then eragon would have set murtagh free
July 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pmthink about this maybe the words brom told eragon were gabatorix”s name and what if one of us plotters is actually CP.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:17 pmreply soon
July 8th, 2008 at 5:18 pmdoes anyone have anything to say about the theory of oromis being gallbatorix’s father? it would explain alot.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:04 pmi like the idea of orimis being galbortorix father…this would add a twist and would make sense. orimis is getting weaker and galb is getting stronger and being father son could be one of the reasons why orimis never taught galb.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pmi think Murtagh might come back to the good side….maybe.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:19 amRona or Arya couldn’t be the new rider coz Roran is already some sort of hero…what’s with his hammer n all. and Arya has other duties and is the princess. i like the idea that the new rider may be a girl and Eragon’s true love, bcoz he’s not gonna get anything from Arya…and she IS a stuck-up.
Brom probably isn’t Eragon’s father, but he probably did love Selina.
i agree about the Brisingr theory…it being his name or his sword.
btw…these theories are all really interesting.
re riders allowed to have kids besides the forsworn?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 amwere or what is the vault of souls
July 9th, 2008 at 11:37 amSo many speculations, some of them good, some of them ridiculous but probable, and some of them making readers wonder, “Why ever waste your time posting that shit?” XD
I know, it won’t happen, but at first, seeing as how Angela is created after CP’s sister, maybe sentimental value is there, or maybe she was a past rider? Either way, Angela+Rider= happy me. However, it’s probably not even good assumption, but more of a wish. Hahaha.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:43 amI agree to Brom being Eragon’s father.
But I disagree with everyone saying the mere WORD Brisingr is Eragon’s true name, or the name of the ancient language, as other’s have said before, and the reasons why those aren’t even possible are obvious.
I think Brisingr however will be associated with a degree of mastery Eragon gains over it. It could also be associated with the weapon underneath the Menoa Tree.
I also think that Arya will NOT be the new rider, but if CP is crazy enough, it’s possible, it would just be a big letdown, eh?
Overall, no one is right until the book is released, but we can all dream, right?
Most of the speculations here are probably correct though, good observations ^__^
My dream: Angela is the new Rider.
Soooo excited! <3
maybe angela was the one brom loved?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:57 amits probably just me, and not totally related to the subject, but does anyone else think that Glaedr looks, well, stupid on the third book’s cover?
July 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pmhis eye just kind of screws it all up making him look more senile than old.
XD
I think that though John Jude Palencar is an amazing artist i think i perfer the first to covers of Paolini’s books over the third (why has Glaedr got a small beard thing). The one of Saphire was amazing!!! But about the above theories,such as Angela being the next rider i don’t think it will happen though it would be a good twist. How inventive of you. If only Angela had been a bit younger them maybe. Still it’s fine 2 think about stuff like that.Makes it interesting. After all do any of us really know what Christopher Paolini is thinking? NOPE. And that is what makes his books so awesom.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:05 amoxoxo
Another one of my loose thoughts (sorry) what do you think about one of the elves that Arya traveled with when couriering the egg begin her partner or perhaps brother. I think this fits.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:14 amWhen one of the Guard with Arya was struck down that was when she hesitated, looking like she wanted to go back.
When telling Eragon about the Guards she wouldn’t talk about one of them-Faolin
SHe has a fairth of a younger looking elf in her room. Maybe it is a fairth of him.
If it was her partner it would explain why she is so cold and harsh when dealing with Eragon’s love.
Again loose thoughts
oxox
My opinion is…
Arya will (or is, I acknowledge that maybe the green egg has hatched, but I don’t think so) be the third egg’s rider. She is the most probable answer; I’ll admit it’s predictable. She’s already capable of being a rider once her dragon matures, and she’s female, and her magic’s green. Among other reasons.
Oromis and Glaedr will die, at the hands of Murtagh. That’s the big death, and their current purpose is over. They may still have a part to play though, but I doubt it.
The third egg (if not hatched) is at Helgrind, as is the Vault of Souls. Sheer simplicity, really.
Roran will be the king of the human state. It’s not going to happen to anyone immortal, and I think Nasuada will die in the final battle at Urubaen.
Orik will be king of the dwarves. Either him or the “Laughing Enemy”. Orik IS the heir to Durgrimst Ingeitum, so he has a shot at it either way.
Either: a) Islanzadi will remain queen of the elves OR b) she somehow dies or abdicates and another elf (NOT Arya) becomes ruler, maybe Vanir.
Saphira will fix Isidar Mithrim. Just because I feel sorry for the dwarves :P. I don’t think this for any other reason.
Brom is Eragon’s father. Morzan is too Star Wars-y for my taste, not that there’s anything wrong with Star Wars. But look at Blagden’s riddle for this, and I think Murtagh THOUGHT he spoke the facts when he said Eragon was Morzan’s son, that he was speaking his personal truth. OFF TOPIC: My definition of truth is that truth is an individual belief. As in, fact is not always someone’s truth, but belief always is. As in, what you believe is the truth, but it is not necessarily fact.
The “Laughing Enemy” is either: a) One of the spirits who possessed Durza OR b) The durgrimst of Az Sweldn Rak Anhuin. Just a hunch.
The weapon under the Menoa is either: a) Eragon I’s sword (whatever colour), named Brisingr, buried under the Menoa. b) Brom’s sword, in the same place as Eragon I’s sword might be. c) A blue sword held by the elves until the time is right, or something like that. OR (I believe more likely) d) the two other two swords are a green one for Arya, and a blue one for Eragon, and Eragon’s (or both) are held by the descendants of the elf-woman who became the Menoa tree (What a sad story, that one!).
The seven words Brom gave Eragon will bind (or stop it from roasting him, or something) the power with the Vault of Souls. Or it will kick Galbatorix’s hide into next Wrydfell. I think it will have something to do with the Vault though..
Eragon’s romance is Arya. She will grow to like him if she’s rider of the third dragon, and Saphira mates with the green dragon. Nasuada is the only other woman of (possible) royal blood old enough to match him, and she’s mortal. Don’t mention Katrina, she’s also mortal, and non-royal without a large stretch of the imagination.
The God is not a god. It is Eragon I, or Vrael, or Korgan (the dwarf who found Farthen Dur), or the Grey Folk, or some other figure of great (and I mean GREAT) power/historical significance. I don’t know what will happen either, but it WILL be cool.
Oromis could be Galbatorix’s father. Hope not, he’s too classy for that.
I have missed some theories, but I can’t remember them.
The dream of the man and woman leaving Alagaesia is pretty self explanatory if you use my theories (“my” as in “I didn’t come up with it but I believe it”) though, if you consider Eragon must leave, and Arya is his “passionate romance”, and a rider.
As far as I’m aware, none of these contradict each other, and make sense. What do you guys think?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:52 amOh yeah… I forgot to put in capitals at the bottom…
That is my OPINION. Emphasis on opinion here. Just because I think that doesn’t mean I’m right.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:55 amI’m wondering about Nasuada’s past. It said that in book 3 more would be reveal of it but i really, really don’t want it to be her Eragon loves. In Angela’s prediction it said that she didn’t know if his romance would be for good or ill so maybe it’s already been. Like as in how he was in love with Arya though i hope that was not it. As for Arya herself i think that she is really cold. But maybe theres a reason (there should be) One character i can’t stand is Orrin, i agree with you there Robbo. Who in their right mind would let him be king? It’s a wonder Surda hasn’t already fallen.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:59 amP.S sorry my comments are all really late at night but where i live the time difference sort of affects it. But i would like to hear more opinions
Everyone’s theories are so awesome! So glad i found this website!
oxoxox
hey remember the isidar mithrim. wht if saphira repairs it then the dwarf gods r so pleased that they meet eragon and maybe tell him his real name?
July 11th, 2008 at 9:44 amperhaps eragon gains some kind of mastery of fire and when he and saphira go to repair isidar mithrim she uses her dragon fire and then he controls it with magic to get into all of the little cracks or whatever to weld it back together like new. would be kinda cool if they also did something else extra to it like some kind of dragon marking or something to say that they fixed it and made it better
July 11th, 2008 at 11:49 ama few people have mentioned that they think arya and faolin were closer than just friends and I just happened to read a part of eldest that would strongly support that. When arya is showing eragon tialdari hall eragon asks which is her favorite and she shows him a black flower with blue insides and says that faolin created it especially for her a few years before.
I didnt really think that they were that close before but after reading that passage of the book it seems that they were quite close
July 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pmIt seems very obvious to me and I think a few others of you that Arya and Faolin must have been lovers. Hence the coldness towards Eragon; plus, she’s committed herself to her people and she knows they need Eragon at his best (not wrapped up with her).
July 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pmI could be way off point here, but I like to think Arya is already a rider. Green dragon=green magic. Imagine the weight of Saphira, the Isdar Mithrim, and herself, and then think how much energy it took to lower them to the ground.
I’m still not sure about the weapon under the menoa tree, but I like some of the theories posted. I think more than likely, Eragon will find Brom’s broken sword, and i will be mended by Rhunnon. I think her vow was not to MAKE weapons of death, but said nothing about REPAIRING them.
As for the god, Helzvog makes the most sense to me as (if i recall correctly) He and his brother created dragons. more of a hunch than a provable theory.
I’m really fascinated by the possibility of Oromis and Gallbatorix being related somehow. Father/Son? It could be that knowlege that is crippling Oromis. Or, another thought, what if Oromis is the father of brom and morzan making them brothers, and half-elf. Sort of like the sons of elrond in lord of the rings.
I’m curious to know how does everyone think the Raa’zak will die, along with their parents??
July 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pmOk, let me add in my ediocy, the books said that eragon will never step foot in alegasea ever again, am i correct? couldnt he live in the former home of the riders, and fly over alegasea endlessly on saphira, landing only to rest and eat. Also it is unlikely that Arya would become the new rider, although if she did, maybe eragon and saphira could end up with a happily ever after;) Also concerning this eledged god eragon will meet, maybe he is hilucinating, maybe he dies, and is sent back from the void with the power to unlock the vault of soals and utterly destroy galbatorix?
July 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pmI personally am still not sure about Murtagh’s fate-whether he will or will not be able to be freed of Galbatorix’s fate. I really want him to be free because for one thing he is not truly evil. The ancient language is, after all binding. But unfortunately i don’t think he ever will be. However i do think that there was, or could have been something going on between Murtagh and Nasuada. It would have made a great twist. After all did Nasuada really have a reason to be spending that time in Murtagh’s room? Not to mention that I think that Galbatorix does not understand love and perhaps through that there is a way for Nasuada to help or release Murtagh and Thorn through Eragon and Saphira as a channel. But that is only a hope and not a belief sadly. Let me know if you agree or not-and why. I enjoy reading these
July 12th, 2008 at 2:32 amoxoxoxo
Just to add a bit more i don’t think personally that Arya has hatched the green dragon egg in secret. She is devoted to her people so why would she keep it a secret and risk Eragon who is so important. The strength of two dragons is far mmore than the strength of one. And half the risk of one dying. Plus Murtagh said that the last dragon egg in the world is male-how could he know that if Jeod or Arya had managed to steal it because he must have seen it himself to know. Plus wouldn’t Galbatorix have presented him to both to increase the chance of one hatching. Perhaps the egg was a wild one but that does not mean it necesarrily does or doesn’t have to be alive. It’s the author keeping us guessing.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:55 amoxoxoxo
OMG sorry i talk to much but as Akiton said on the first comment Brom said that you could say water and create somethinbg completely different, so do you think that to fix Isidar Mithrim and make it better Eragon will perhaps say, i don’t know ‘water’. I think it might have something to do with it.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:46 amPS. talking to much because i’m reading the books again and keep picking up on stuff. Then again it might be just me scratching for answers.
I want Brisingr dammit!
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omg poor saphira, only 4 male dragons left in world, and 1 female… Doesnt look to good for her does it? If she doesnt like em, her race is doomed, if they dont like her, there race is doomed, if they do like each other, there can only be a few generations of new dragons before there doing their own relatives… NOT THE BEST WAY TO BRING BACK THE RACE!!! I hope there are wild dragons still round… That could solve a lot of problems…
July 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pmI agree about the whole wild dragons thing bk but honestly, doing your relatives? Omg that is totally gross
July 13th, 2008 at 1:12 amoxoxoxox
i think murtagh can be freed coz d ancientlang isnt tht binding eragon said he cud remove d thing frm elva right so why not murtagh?
July 13th, 2008 at 4:45 amjust some random thoughts, angela said that eragon would love on of noble birth, but she never said only her. i think that murtagh will come back too the varden for nasuada
July 13th, 2008 at 11:57 amalso i think that the weapon under the menoa tree is a sword made by the elf person, because she seemed like part of her wanted to when eragon was talking to her, and then she was ashamed of herself and buried it. its possible, but i like the idea of it being brom’s sword
July 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pmOk I would just like to remind people that broms sword probably wont be found in pieces under the meoa tree because doesnt it say in like both of the books that the riders swords never dull or break?As for the female rider it probably isnt Arya because that is way too obvious,if anything its more than likely Elva because Saphira marked her forehead with the gedwey ignasia.And the idea that a green egg hatched because eragon stepped on an eggshell isa bit far fetched.The idea that the last egg is hidden at helgrind doesnt seem too believable either.Jeod said not even the ra’zac or the lethrblaka could compete with a rider in open combat so galbatorix would obv have the last egg in a safer place than that..anyway these are just my ideas so
July 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pmHere is one of my ideas regaurding the Gem-Rose that Arya broke in book one. Ormis said that gemstones can be used to transfer energy into and use at a later time. To me it seems that the gem will contain a huge amount of power since it is a gem and was once the floor of the RIDERS room.
Comments
July 13th, 2008 at 9:26 pmTo Terrapin19:
July 14th, 2008 at 1:54 amIn answering to your question, i think that perhaps when Eragon is caught by the Ra’zac @ Hellgrind (as said so in the released chapter) that maybe Hellgrind is the vault of souls. And when caught Eragon has some sort of enlightening about it in a strange way or something like that and speaks his name. That opens the vault of souls and inside is some sort of power (the theories grow wide here) and that through that power Eragon is able to kill them. My best hope is that they burn and fall off Hellgrind. Or that if the souls are in there take them and their parents. The reason i believe that here is power in there is because CP said that after storming Hellgrind he felt that Eragon needed to make a sort of a journey as it was fitting to his character and that is why the fourth book was added. Perhaps it’s to grow in power. He could return to the elves of course-i don’t know.
Reply soon k
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PS: What is the originate of this site? I mean, im curious as to what country you all live in. Because to be so famous here these books really are a hit. And when i add my comments, the time is totally warped.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:58 amPPS: Did you all hate movie as much as i did?
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Yo Raliah, I live in the States in Colorado.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:59 ami live in canada and the movie sucked, they made it nearly impossible for the sequel because they left out so many links, ex. blessing elva, breaking the star rose, he didnt kill durza in a way that would make him want 2 go 2 the elves, no scar… honestly they should just redo that movie it sucked and saphira looked like a frilly reptilian bird
July 14th, 2008 at 9:18 amand in response to corin i would like to say that there must be someway for them to break or else why are there only 4 left? if they were lost then oromis could probably scry them, and if they were at the bottom of the sea or something eragon & saphira could magic them out
July 14th, 2008 at 9:21 amwell like im only sayin what it said in the book..so if it is possible to break them then im sorry!but there are some seriously weird suggestions on other websites..someone said that galbatorix is eragon and murtaghs father?? and someone else thinks brom was the evil one and somehow tricked everyone into thinking that it was morzan??i agree that the movie was absolute crap i couldnt bear to watch all of it..i was so disappointed
July 14th, 2008 at 9:39 ami hear ya
July 14th, 2008 at 11:11 ambut that does raise an interesting point, there must have been hundreds of riders overtime, wtf happened to their swords?
July 14th, 2008 at 11:55 amto raliah,
July 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pmi’ve thought about helgrind a good bit, and i concede that it must be signifigant in some way other than just the razac. what that signifigance is though, i’m not sure. We know about the vault of souls, and it seems that the razac and their parents are almost perfect guardians, and isn’t called death’s gates? That would seem to fit into it holding or actually being the supposed vault. Isn’t it possible that the true name of helgrind is Kuthien? It all makes sense to me, of course it’s only one possibility.
and about the movie, everyone with any taste knows it was shite. At least i read in an interview with CP that he had very little say in the making of the film. He asked that an unknown actor played the role of Eragon, and i think that was it. In the end FOX films had final say in everything. Since they now own the film rights, and turnout was very low, I don’t expect to see a remake or a sequel within twenty years or so. If all of you have kids one day and turn them on to it along with several million other people, they might remake the film in a fantastic way. Otherwise, Eragon will just fade into literary history like so many others.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pmTO SMART GUY: in eldest Rhunnon says “he came and destroyed them all” and something like: “i thought only four examples of my work still existed” Im pretty sure most of the swords were destroyed with magic either by galbo or morzo
July 14th, 2008 at 2:52 pmthats a good point thank you. i was just thinking about how galbo keeps getting stronger. in some book or something i think that there is something like everytime this guy killes someone in a certain way he gains all of their power, maybe he is doing something like that? or leeching off shruikan… also wouldn’t it be interesting if saphira falls in love with shruikan when he is released from galbo’s magic? that would leave eragon to pursue arya because she probably wont be a rider. then again CP might have said we wont be expecting who the next rider is BECAUSE its arya, to throw people off so NOW they arn’t expecting it
July 14th, 2008 at 9:15 pmand i strongly believe that the “god” will be one of the grey folk
July 14th, 2008 at 9:20 pmDoes anyone have any comments about who they think is pregnant in Brisingr?
July 15th, 2008 at 12:27 amCP released the last spoiler today and I want to know what y ‘all think. Personally I think that it is Katrina.
well, i’m sure it’s arya as well. there’s too many clues pointing to her, i know not everybody agrees with that, and it’s been discussed to no end.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:33 amAs far as galbo taking power from everyone he kills, that is a distinct possibility. It’s not very original-i think of Sylar from HEROES, Lord Asriel from Pullman’s HIS DARK MATERIALS just to name a couple. Towards the end of ELDEST it mentions the “many voices” inside Murtagh’s mind, and the dark swirling mass behind his eyes. The way that it was described reminded me of the description of Durza dying. It could be that galbo is “conscripting” the spirits of people he kills. The main problem i see with this theory is that glaeder told eragon and saphira that the soul depends on the body, and it departs upon death. If that is true, then I don’t think it is possible that he is somehow taking their souls in order to gain power.
Just a wild thought here, but what if helgrind is a place where galbo imprisons people in order to channel energy to himself? It would make a little sense in that only the raazac or a rider could reach it and, it has magical protection.
I think (and this is just my first impulse) it is most likely Saphira that becomes pregnant. I feel like CP leads the reader to think it’s Katrina i.e. her sneaking into his bed, and a big blank space before she gets kidnapped.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:48 amI’m not trying to be a sexist or anything but they definitely hooked up that night or else he would never be so intent on getting her back. Maybe I’m wrong man what do you all think?
To Terrapin:
July 15th, 2008 at 2:13 amDon’t worry, we’re not going to get pissed coz you said that but you’re probably right. Still, i think that as well as sleeping with Katrina, Roran actually did care. Katrina was all Roran had at that point what with Garrow Dying.
The reason i think that Saphira being pregnant is likely is because if Katrina was pregnant wouldn’t they have seen in when they scryed her? It’s been months and with the way Roran was staring at her he surely would have noticed.
Comments on this are appreciated and im going to have to check that spoiler coz it’s all new to me!
Ps: I can’t get over the fact that some of you are from America! That is so cool!
Also that whole soul thing fits. If Hellgrind is in fact the vault of souls then that is where Galbatorix gets his power and that is why the Ra’zac are guarding it there. It’s on his command. And you know as he grows it could be from the servants that are sent there. The Ra’zac actually capture them and when Galbatorix does his work with them they eat them coz’ they don’t need their bodies anymore (that’s totally gross by the way!) And the souls are caught and stored in some way so that Galbatorix can leech of them.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:23 amReply soon
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Sorry, more from me but it really sux that to be able to talk with the rest of you during you’re time i have to wait until three in the morning or something, but anyway, i checked the spoiler!
July 15th, 2008 at 5:07 amIf whoever it is becomes pregnant in the third book then i think that it could be Saphira. So far i’ve looked over a couple of other sites and these have been suggested, though i don’t think any of them fit. Thought i’d list them for discussion later though.
Nasuada, pregnant to Murtagh (she spent all that time in his room)
Arya (thought to be pregant to Faolin).
(i don’t think that this is possible though)
Arya (sleeps with Eragon)
Saphira (Gladr eventually agrees for the good of the race)
(i don’t like that one either)
Saphira (Thorn) ???
Katrina (Roran, though one stupid person said she sleeps with Eragon)
Just a few, but let me know coz i think that none of these could be right. Then again i’d like to know your thoughts
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hey yeah sorry i checked out the riders swords never break thing and in the first book anyway and all brom said is they never stain and are eternally sharp but i was so sure that when eragon found out what the sword name meant he would’ve thrown it into the river except for the fact it never dulled and could not be broken..but anyway my mistake sorry!
July 15th, 2008 at 9:00 amand about the whole arya thing it would be good if she was the new rider cuz she’d need like no training but it still seems too obvious..and if CP was just saying that to make us think it wasnt her than whats to say that the other spoilers arent doing the same?
July 15th, 2008 at 9:06 amhey i had an idea wht if brisingr is a dragons name i mean maybe it will be the last dragons name - the one which galby has and so eragon and saphira find out and save it frm galby?
just a passing idea
July 15th, 2008 at 9:35 amya… that would be cool, not saying that its not a good idea its just that the dragon is green, so brisingr doesn’t really make sence. and the riders have a special bond with their dragons, would you name your child fire?
July 15th, 2008 at 9:55 amto terrapin19
July 15th, 2008 at 9:59 ami like the idea of helgrind being involved… you know how glaedr was explaining why a dragon ususally dies when the rider does and vice versa? he said that it is their natural reaction to shelter their souls in your own body. maybe galbatorix found a way to do that and made people swear in the ancient language to give him their souls when they die then feeds them 2 the ra zac
what if the laughing enemy is the last grey folk?
July 15th, 2008 at 11:35 amit would explain y they would be so powerful.
ya but the grey folk seemed like good guys… unless being alone forever drove him insane, and when he saw eragon he started attacking him… that actually makes alot of since, especially if the grey folk IS the god
July 15th, 2008 at 11:49 amthe grey folk were people there are good people and bad people
July 15th, 2008 at 12:59 pmgood point im just say if you were alone for a bunch of centuries you would be kinda hysterical right?
July 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pmafter reading eldest again, i’m forced to conclude that angela was a rider. There’s plenty of evidence for it; but I want to hear what you all think first.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pmthere is only abit of negative evidence, so its entirely possible. all i have against that is that she used the knucklebones of a dragon, something that eragon found repulsive (but then again they could be the knucklebones of HER dragon) she poisoned the soldiers at the burning plains, when she could have used a death word when they arn’t protected, she busied herself with the toad/frog thing when she could easily have found that out in training, and there is nothing 2 say that she didn’t eat meat, though there is nothing to say she does. im curious how you came to that conclusion though, there isn’t alot of evidance that points to her being a rider either
July 15th, 2008 at 5:00 pmOk im about to fall asleep but im here.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:17 pmI think that it is entirely possible that Angela was a rider.
Im just curious about her taking out the knucklebones of her own dragon. Im not saying that it’s untrue but the thought kind of makes me shiver.
If Angela was a rider then that explains why she lived so long (that whole herb thing? Somehow i don’t think even herbs make you live that long) Plus where did she get all the knowledge for the herbs and it was her who healed Eragon. Though she did say that her magic wasn’t like his or Arya’s and that’s why it left a scar.
Maybe she was loosing power like Brom did.
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I already know that elves can be proven wrong as there is proof in the book such as when people die the go to the void but yet shades and sorcerers use spirits to accomplish thier magic so right no Chris has the opportunity to do anything in his new book so all the opinions above are now entirley possible.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:22 pmgood ideas but if u put oxox again i will shoot myself
July 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pmon the pregnant thing the only likely one is katrina because it is the only one with prook and Nasuada would hve already had the child through all the time since murtagh left
July 15th, 2008 at 7:27 pmfor the pregnancy thing again too much time has passed for it to be nasuada, it would be visible by now, and as for arya faolin died a while ago… though elves might be different
July 15th, 2008 at 9:22 pmfaolin died shortly before garrow i think
July 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmfor the pregnant thing… CP said that someone WILL become pregnant. not that they already are.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmangela has lived along time, and can still get about like a young woman. she knows how to speak to urgals, she’s been involved with the varden for a long stretch, solumbum hangs out with her, she’s been to ellesmerra, she has dragon knucklebones, she was trusted to heal eragon, she makes constant hints at the strength of her power, and yeah she used poison on the soldiers in eldest, but how did she get around a huge camp like that without some kind of magic other than a potion. and i dont think brom could be the only dragonless rider left, there were just too many of them at one time to all be gone except for galbo. that’s all the evidence i can think of right now but if i come up with any more i’ll let you know
July 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pmthat’s a good point that someone WILL BECOME pregnant in the next book. arya’s a cold fish, never going to happen; nasuada would i think hook up with murtagh, and vice versa, i dont see a way for that to happen yet. katrina seems obvious, but how it will help the story along im not sure. saphira seems the most likely to me
July 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pmhey yall i think angela mite be the preganet one or someone really random. and what if the dragons knuckle bones are like from broms dragon. cuz mayb angela and brom hooked up!!!! u never know. and i think angela mite become pregnet by an elf or a dwraf cuz she is weird like that. i mean she does have a dwarf weapon mayb she is a dwarf herself but she loved an elf who gave her human form. idk but this is kinda crazy but i thought id say it anywasys. and maybe the pregnet person is like say the werecat that follows izlandi around. and elva is so gona commit suicide. (i hope) she needs to for her own sake and maybe in her comiting it she gives eragon tons of power that he uses to kill G. and maybe katrina becomes pregnet by the razac. UGG EWW. just thought id post it hahahaha. and what if when eragon and roran go to rescue katrina the find more poeple locked up in hellgrind like all the slaves that never come bak?? they may play an improtant role in the 3rd book and one of them may actually b of royale descent and become the next rider and eragons lover. and mayb idk im out of ideas let me know wat yall think.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pmhey yall wat if nausada becomes eragons lover. mayb in the movie where she came in his room and like stared him down and was checking him out was a hint that CP told them to put in the movie????? just a thought
July 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pmmayb eragon is fire. mayb he is like the god of fire and fire is his esscence and his entirity is made of fire but he is trapped in a human form for doing something forbin like King G. could be his son and he could of helped him take over and now he has to stop it but he doesnt know or remember anything about being a god and mayb angela is a godess who is there to look after and protect him. because she heals him and her magic is diff. so she has to leave the scar because of some god law or something. that would b realy cool. and also mayb arya knows eragon is a god that is y she is so *itchy and distances herself so much because she knows she can never love a god. but then again she doesnt believe in devine beings. so there goes that theory. but i really like the thought of eragon being a god because he and sapphira both liked the desert and if eragon is the essence of fire then he would most definitly love the desert. and mayb saphira was foreced to wait for the human eragon by the god eragon?? kind of farfetched or mayb saphira chose eragon becuz he is the essence of fire and she is also like fire beingish so she felt that he would help stop G. and u all may say then y was everyone else chosen and not the esccence of fire. well maybe god eragon gives some people a little essence of fire or mayb saphira was suposed to choose the fire god(eragon) and everyone else just got lucky. and this would also make eragon and saphira more powerful together than G and SHrukin or watever because they are both of the same being FIRE. so eragon somehow learns to become fire and become one with sapphires dragon fire and he can like totaly cause it to obliterate anything. well yall may think this is berserk but i had to say it.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmis anyone on…………………….. plez reply im so bored
July 16th, 2008 at 12:48 amSorry Smart Guy, didn’t mean to pi$$ you off. That’s kinda my trademark. Just for the record dont shoot yourself either your points are interesting lol. I suppose that itchy does sum Arya up. I think that as to the whole Eragon actually BEING fire is a little strange. I just don’t think that CP would suddenly change his style like that. Maybe he can summon the essence of fire around him or something though. A good point.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:06 amOne thing i want to know is what do you think will happen to Elva?
July 16th, 2008 at 1:19 amShe kinda freaks me out a bit. I really, really hope that she isn’t the rider because i couldn’t stand reading about her for that long and her powers beside Eragon’s and Murtagh’s would seem-i don’t know-eerie in a way. There is clearly something different about her though. If Eragon undoes his curse on her then she fades to normality and somehow i don’t see that fitting.
Im desperate for information so please, please reply soon.
I’ll check this tomorrow and see your thoughts
Dear Thorn #29
I do agree in the terms with you, already posted those theories. I do want to add something. Blagden didn’t meet Morzan, while Morzan was still a dragon rider scholar. Blagden became friends with the Elf King during a battle against the Forsworn, that should question if he really could be Eragon’s father.
Another add is the ring Brom gives Eragon. When he gets to Ajihad, he gives back the ring to Eragon and says, it’s only hiss right to have it. Inheritance?
Danish Viking
July 16th, 2008 at 3:24 amSome interesting theories to mull over here…
I haven’t read the series in about a year now, and will reread them shortly in return for september 20th ;), so forive me if I have forgotten something glaring in what i post.
I read about half of the posts, and really couldnt be bothered reading the tonne in the middle, so (again) sorry if this theory has been beaten to death, but there seems to be only a few mentions that saphira will be the pregnant one.
It makes sense to me, after Murtagh’s diatribe about how Saphira is the ‘only girl dragon left’, etc etc. When i read that I assumed she’d be pregnant in the ‘final book’ (before it became a cycle).
As for who the next rider will be, Paolini has clearly stated that it will be someone unexpected, so that (to my mind, anyway,) rules out Arya, Roran and perhaps even Nasuada.
I thought for a while perhaps Orik [i think that was his name - haven't reread the series for a while ;)] - the dwar friend of Eragon’s.
I don’t like the idea that the next rider will be Angela. I reckon, like Brom, she already was a rider, hence the knowledge, the magic, the mysterious ways, the fact that she has travelled to that dwarven city that eragon passes through in Eldest, and of course, that she is young-looking. If not a rider, she had connections with them. This would explain her (almost) fondness for Brom that it is possible to sense when she talks about him.
As to Brom being Eragon’s father…I hadn’t considered that. Good theory! When I re-read the first 2 novels, i’ll keep it in mind! thanks! …Especially like how it fits in with Blagden’s prophesies.
The idea of Eragon meeting a literal god of fire, seems more than ludicrous to me. There has been very little mention of gods so far, and it would be awkward to bring them in now. Remember, this was going to be the final book in the series. A bit late to bring in a “god” in the ‘he made the world’ or ‘he is omnipotent and invincible’ sense.
This is strengthened by the fact that Paolini is an atheist, and has been known to put his own beliefs into the series before…
I have been positive since finishing reading ‘Eldest’, or before that the Vault of Souls is the source of Galbatorix’s power. This could also be how Roran grew so strong, so fast: Galbatorix shared with him in his secret.
My theory is that because it is the ‘Vault of Souls’, it is literally a keeping place for souls. I think the souls are either:
a) the dead -> Galbatorix is growing stronger and stronger as the years pass, which shouldnt be happening.
or b) souls that Galbatorix/another person (ie razaac? Shade?) have captured somehow.
I am thinking that the Vault is in Helgrind, where the razaac are: if the are ‘collecting’ the souls, great place to keep them -> where you live, and it is hard to get into.
Also a + for Helgrind, the slaves are sent there once every full moon(?). This could be for the obvious reason of food, etc, but what if they were becoming part of the vault?
Having it in Helgrind would also mean Eragon would find it early on in book3 when he goes to rescue Katrina with Roran. Destroying it could well be a way of weakening Galbatorix’s (and Murtagh’s) powerbase.
Um…long post, sorry ;P
That’s all I can think of for now. I might post some more if i remember something.
Cheers,
July 16th, 2008 at 8:10 amMith
Lol. oops. i forgot something. This one will be short, I promise
Elva = Next Dragon Rider?
NO.
a) She is not “a surprise”, as Paolini said the final rider would be.
b) Eragon has promised that she will be returned to an infant. Which is a bit too young to take on all the evil in Algaesia. Of course, Eragon could change her back after everything is done, but somehow, i doubt it. More likely is that he doesnt change her back at all, but again, even at however old she looks now, she is too young.
c) She is already playing a crucial role. She doesnt need more.
d) On a personal, less objective note, it’d just be creepy to have Elva (the freak-kid) taking up large portions of the next two books….I think i might vomit if i have to read more about her - lol, sorry if you like her, but i think she is a pain in the rear end… :s
Thanks again for reading!
July 16th, 2008 at 8:18 am~Mith
hey i have 2 more kindaa absurd points
July 16th, 2008 at 12:15 pm1) mayb king G. is eragons father. because he helped morzan hide selana and he couldve had some fun with her and that is why she fleed from wherever he and morzan lived. and mayb eragon is supposed to inherit the throne or something ever though he doesnt want to
2) and possible elva could become pregnate becasue when eragon and roran go to find katrina they could be gone for a while and since elva ages so quickly eragon falls in love because she may b of royale descent but we dont know who her parents are?????
is anyone here actually like Arya? i never thought she was that bad… i kinda just put up with her… but reading all these comments no one seems to fond of her?
and i saw a few comments like this, and i like the idea of Jarsha being the new rider. it does seem kinda out there and theres not much evidence to support it with him being so young and everything, but then again Brom said he was younger than Eragon when he first got his dragon. im not saying its gonna happen, i just like the idea.
thoughts?
July 16th, 2008 at 1:20 pmjill i was thinking the same thing. and aint he the messenger in teh begining of eldest. and what if one of the werecats becomes the next rider
July 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pmposted these on a different page
1)Brom is Eragon’s father.
2)Eragon will receive Brom’s old sword from the Elven family related to Linnea (the Elf who sang herself into the MENOA TREE, hence ROOTS meaning family lineage) as his INHERITANCE.
3)The only rocks that Kuthain could be are Helgrind and that floating crystal mentioned in ELDEST. However, IF it is Helgrind, then Galbatorix could have discovered some hidden magic that allows him to draw power from the people killed by the Ra’zac, making Helgrind a doubly suitable place for them to be. Also, when Eragon finds the actual place where those souls are accessed (the VAULT OF SOULS) he will speak his name and open that Vault, significantly weakening Galbatorix AND Murtagh, who has also benefitted from this power. However this will probably not occur til book 4 AND Galbatorix still has had hundreds of years of experience and could still defeat Eragon.
4)The new Rider cannot be Roran, he loves Katrina.
5)The new Rider could not be Orik because the binding spell would have to be altered once more, which would remove the focus of energy from fighting Galbatorix and would thus be a terrible battle strategy. The elves would not be so foolish.
6)The new Rider could be Nasuada; but it seems most likely that she will be the character who dies. It would force Eragon to mature even more and take responsibility for the fate of not only the Varden but of the entire realm of Alagaesia.
7)The new Rider will probably be Arya. I know that the idea has been bantered about, but she CANNOT die! As the daughter of the Queen and one of the strongest spellcasters spoken of in the series so far (She BROKE the Star Sapphire, which was “nearly twenty yards across and nearly as thick, and then STOPPED ALL OF THE PIECES FROM HITTING THE FLOOR AND KILLING ERAGON!!) it seems highly unlikely that she would be killed, she is needed too badly.
NOTE: I am only expressing what seems from the books to be the most logical, and yet so captivating, theories and how they might play out.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:07 pm65 DAYS!!! I AM PUUUUUUMMMMMMPED!!!!!!!!
k, here’s the other post:
CP announced that the subtitle of Brisingr is “The Seven Promises of Eragon Shadeslayer and Saphira Brightscales.” (see Alagaesia.com) I will list some of what I think will be those promises.
1)Obviously, their promise to return to Ellesmera to complete his training as a Rider.
2)Eragon’s promise to Elva to remove her curse.
3)Saphira’s promise to Hrothgar, and all the dwarves, to restore the former glory of Isidar Mithrim, the Star Sapphire.
?4) Eragon’s promise of fealty to Nasuada.
?5) Eragon’s promise to “place the welfare of those underneath [him] before all else” to Nasuada.
?6)Eragon’s promise to Saphira to journey to the mountains of the dragons in the Hadarac Desert.
AND the cliffhanger from ELDEST:
7) Eragon’s promise to Roran to “find the Ra’zac, rescue Katrina and avenge our father!”
Feel free to criticize me! I’m open to discussion!
July 16th, 2008 at 2:09 pmto jill
July 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pmwow sry computer glitched, anyway jill i kinda like the idea of it being jarsha, but if it were to be someone like that i would prefer it to be nolfavrell. he also makes more sence since he has been thru so much and has already killed a person
July 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pmI totally agree that Nolfavrell is better suited than Jarsha, but still, it’s just not the theory that I’m holding to….
July 16th, 2008 at 2:44 pmbtw I like arya, jill
July 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pmi know the next rider is almost definatly going 2 be a girl anyway… unless eragon was mistaken about his dream and it was a guy with really long hair, that might be murtagh, disquised 2 escape…
July 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pmthen why would the two males be arm in arm?? The vision says that those two people were arm in arm… I doubt murtagh would be that desparate to escape…
No, it’s Eragon and Arya. And Roran is screaming on the beach b/c his cousin, who’s been like a brother to him, is leaving Alagaesia forever.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pmthe person screaming on the beach could possibly have nothing to do with eragon leaving it could b orimos becasue gladear died or murtagh becasue thourn died or the new rider becasue there dragon died. it could also be roran because katrina may become the next rider and after her and eragon kill thorn and shrukin galbortix and murtagh. then they must leave aleglasia to keep dragons from ever causing a tryanny such as the one going on now. so katrina and eragon must leave forever and roran screams about it on the beach. i think this is the most logical explanasion because it would be a good way to make sure the story ends because if all the dragons leave then well there want b that problem anymore and then roran wont b tied down to katrina so he can rule aleglasia and not have to be sidetracked because of katrina. because he wants her bak so badly he would poossible put aleglasia in danger if she was kidnapped while he was king cuz he wuld do anything to get her bak.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pmTo Jill
July 16th, 2008 at 8:13 pmAbout Arya, it’s not as though i don’t like her personally but at the moment with the way shes been towards Eragon in the last two books, it’s just kinda hard to see past the coldness that she has. Perhaps she’ll change in the next book. Well at least, i hope so.
As for Jarsha being the new rider, anythings possible at this point. It would be unexpected but i seem to think along the lines that having to train a new rider from scratch would take years. It took Eragon months with the elves and he had already been tutored with Brom. I don’t know exactly how much time they have with Galbatorix and Murtagh knocking on their door. That has led me to believe it might be more likely for someone already trained to some point.
Then again, could be wrong (as usual lol) And these are only my own personal views. If more evidence sprung up along these lines then sure, why not.
hey all mayb the person eragon is going to love lived in carvahall or therinsford.
i say this beacuse on page 202 of eldestthe elf Lifaen tells of how when humans arrived in Alagaesia they lived in palancar valley and that king palancar declared war on the elfs in hopes to make his kingdom bigger. he tried 3 times and after failing he was usuped and banished but he his family and his vassals refused to leave palancar valley. his decsendents never left so the blood of kings still runs through Therinsford and Carvahall.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:20 pmand reread page 203 of eldest and you will see why i think that there will never be riders in alaglseia again. because they where there own downfall because “who could watch the watchers”
July 16th, 2008 at 8:22 pmTo Raliah and eragonROCKS
I like Arya too, but I get what Raliah means … she is pretty cold about it which is why I just kinda deal with her… But its not that shes a mean person.
And I completely forgot about Nolfavrell. Hes definitely along the same lines as Jarsha.
OH! And I just wanted to say that its possible that Brom is Eragons father while Morzan is Murtaghs father. They would just be step-brothers, not fully related, but still making Murtaghs statement true.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pmAs to the new rider…the time involved just cements the theory that arya will be the next rider, or is already. I don’t think it’s very likely she already has a dragon, but i do think the last egg will be liberated, a green egg i’m sure, and it will hatch for arya.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:28 pmIt fits within the vision of Eragon’s, the prophecy of angela, and the green magic-green dragon thing.
Elva or Jarsha or Nolfavrell are all too young yet, and I don’t really see CP stretching the story over more than a few years.
Elva definitely has some other role to play, and i dont think its becoming the next rider.
yall tell me what u think of my post u have like said nothing about them
July 16th, 2008 at 9:29 pmno, because murtagh said that zar roc should have gone to morzans oldest son, not his youngest… so that doesnt work… i still believe in the theory of brom being his father though, as that would explain why brom lived in carvahall, and also why selena hid eragon, so that morzan wouldn’t find out and kill her
July 16th, 2008 at 9:29 pmsry that post was to jill,
July 16th, 2008 at 9:36 pmand i agree with terrapin19, as cool as it would be for it to be nolfavrell, it just too much time, it would take him years for his body to be strong enough to do any powerful magic… and as for elva has anyone else noticed that she is fairly similar to blagden? i mean they both saved an important purson and stayed with that person, both can predict things, although thats different, and they were both visibly altered by magic…
dont even bother reading this but i just got a random idea that the purson on the beach might be galbatorix and eragon and girl rider ditched him on some island after defeating him… i know i know i fail
to jill… i like arya i think she is just your average elf just a little upset at faolin dying and thats why she hasnt gone to eragon.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:24 amto jill… i like arya i think she is just your average elf just a little upset at faolin dying and thats why she hasnt gone to eragon.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:25 amby the way i love the idea of angela being a dragon less rider as she fits that description nicely
July 17th, 2008 at 5:26 amuh… does anyone know how much brisingr will cost?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:34 amcheck amazon for preorder prices..ive seen hardback as low as 16$
July 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pm:O thats great but i mean from a store
July 17th, 2008 at 7:20 pmin support of my earlier theory that galbo gains power for every kill when i was rereading eragon on page 34 or 36 when brom is telling the fall of the riders he says with every kill galbo and morzo gained power… maybe thats a subtle hint dropped by CP? thoughts?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pmand in other thoughts wouldnt eragon be able to get energy from the menoa tree since it has a consiounce?
July 17th, 2008 at 9:35 pmto smart guy–i came to the same conclusion about that quote
July 17th, 2008 at 9:54 pmI just had a crazy thought…what if angela and oromis were getting it on and something happened between them, and she’s the one that took off glaeder’s leg? that could be where she got the bones.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:49 amIt would support her being a dragonless rider. possibly, oromis and glaeder killed her dragon in the fight?
Here’s another one…did oromis and angela possibly meet in her shop? He might have been the blind beggar who spoke to solumbum, and had his fortune told.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:52 amI realize all of this might possibly make no sense at all–but it’s 3am
another thought…when galbo’s army disappeared, is it possible they were attacked by wild dragons? Maybe the wild dragons are the strange beasts on vroengard, else they keep strange beasts there.
July 18th, 2008 at 4:22 amThe second dragon in Eragon’s dream is Saphira’s baby
July 18th, 2008 at 4:24 amIn both books whenever someone dies, he is replaced. Brom~Oromis, Ajihaad~Nasuada, Hrothgar~Orik. We know a major character dies in the next book, so who has a replacement? Galby has Murtagh, Nasuada has Eragon, but that doesn’t really fit. Roran maybe has Katrina….
July 18th, 2008 at 4:40 ambrom and arya had a love-child named vanir
July 18th, 2008 at 4:44 amthis is pretty random but perhaps its elva that becomes pregnant, she wouldnt necessarily even need a man because of the magic that eragon and saphira gave her when she needed to become bigger she just willed herself to grow. possibly the only way to save humanity from suffering is to become pregnant. and even more of a stretch is that since she has that dragon mark on her head, maybe she somehow lays a dragon egg or something, completly random but idk.. oh also another thing with saphira possibly getting pregnant, it never says the other mate was willing, she attacks glaedr in eldest so perhaps she somehow rapes him in brisingr lol idk would be kinda funny
July 18th, 2008 at 10:58 amya i cant picture saphira raping anyone… although she has been known to go to far occasionally………………and to terrapin19 i just want to say that although nasuada does have eragon as a backup she probably wont be the one to die because then eragon would have to devote nearly all of his time to the varden, without being able to train or hunt murtagh or anything
July 18th, 2008 at 11:15 amwhile i doubt she is pregnant there probably is some hidden significance to elvas dragon mark
July 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pmbrom arya = vanir noooooooo remember to elves having a kid is like getting married!!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:15 pmi highly doubt that brom and arya were getting it on… remember how protective islanzadi is? she would have shunned brom… besides if arya did anyone it would have been faolin, but no vanir is not royalty remember?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:28 pmwhere does it say he’s not royalty? the only thing i can think of is when islanzadi makes evryone swear not to tell about oromis.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pmthat was just a joke anyway
Arya could be a lesbian….she is awfully butch
July 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pmyaa… after faolin she figured she would never find a suitable man… and she swore to her lezbianess and thats why queen is pissed at her… that actually fits!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:46 pmlol
Ok, i am gone for like two days and already there had been the suggestions that Saphira is a rapist, Arya is a lesbian and that a human is going to lay an egg!!
July 18th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWhat the hell is going on here lol????
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July 18th, 2008 at 7:33 pmwow
seriously, people, you guys need to like re-read the books and think about how CP has written them so far…
Saphira+rape=ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN NOT!!
Ayra+ = not even gonna go there…
However, I agree with smart guy about Galb & Morz, cuz it totally works.
And Murtagh could say that Morzan was Eragon’s father in the ancient language because there was no doubt in HIS mind that Morzan and Selena had another son. I say this because Eragon wrote that fictional poem, but he could say it because he believed it was true. Murtagh believed that what he said was true, so he could say a falsity in the ancient language!
If you are confused, go to Shur’tugal.com, and read some of the theories there, that should help you be un-confused.
8^D!!!
July 18th, 2008 at 7:40 pmyes someone thinks im not an idiot!
July 18th, 2008 at 7:57 pmIt makes sense for Roran to get the egg because his two cousins have the other two so he must have the gene as well unless it was only passed down through Morzan but Eragon and Roran are close so u never know. The dragon is obviously male and will mate with Saphirra maybe their hcild will be the dragon Eragon saw in his vision and the girl will fly that dragon but I don’t remeber it saying the girl with Eragon was on a dragon there were two dragons flying but nothing about who was their riders maybe Saphirra has to leave the green dragon, her beloved, and go with Eragon but Eragon’s wife can go with him. Brisingr could be his name or the sword, but i personally think the sword is Brom’s his dragon was blue called saphirra and a blue sword was made for him so Eragon’s sword should match his dragon why did brom carry Zarroc and not his own sword? his sword must have some importance in the story. After they rescue Katrina and solve whatever conflict is brought up he will have to look for the sword it could be his name i think that saying Brisingr and shooting fire would not control him only if u say Brisingr, do this for me will it control him
July 18th, 2008 at 8:29 pmwhere did we come to the assumtion that broms dragon was blue? remember in eragon when brom first blocked his sword to duel with eragon his magic was red?! it is very interesting now that i remembered that. so what i think is that elf lady made sword, hid it under tree, eragon finds it. i know i’ve said it already but no one gave comment so im saying it again just to get a reaction
and eragon’s name is probably not fire, as that would mean he IS fire. i think brisingr is the name of his sword or PART of his true name… nothing personal joe i’m tired and cranky :@ 
July 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pmbtw raliah u hav earned urself a smart guy high five……….. ^5
July 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pmhey..sorry about the crazy nonsense in some of my earlier posts…i was up super late last night, reading some other discussion sights and occasionally someone has posted some other interesting theories. i have to say though this is, i think, my favorite eragon site. there’s a fair bit of nonsense here, but i think most of you genuinely care aobut this story as much as i do, and that makes me feel a little less weird. how old are you regular people anyway?
July 18th, 2008 at 11:34 pmim 13 and now that i think about it brom’s dragon probably is red. like i said before about the blocking and when he made the fire there was no flash of blue or anything just normal fire colours like….red
July 19th, 2008 at 9:08 ami think the new rider is baldor or one of the kids from carazall, or some one they meet in book 3+4
abut the creepy stuff that you guys thought about Saphira and arya (so not gonna repeat um) if they did that then it would not be a kids book
god is some sort of rebel group that eragon meets
or the land across the sea
the land may have dragons
they may help them beat up Galba
if saphira gets pregnant its probaly at the end of book 4 because she might not be able to fight if she has a baby to tsake care of
i dont know how long it takes for dragons maybe she has to race against time to smoosh galba befote her egg hatches…
maybe galba takes the egg tol lure them to his castle where they battle to defeat him and he fails or something (if in book 3) and is locked up and there he finds other people locked up down there.. man my idea are crazy!!!LOL!!! book 4 he probaly wins and restores peace to alageasia…
July 19th, 2008 at 9:54 ami’m 11, live in US (CT) someone asked that earlier….
i think he mght get his swrod from the tree because the elf lady who made the swords who said she wouldnt do it ever again and so she does it anomonously. hides it there for him
July 19th, 2008 at 9:58 amI’m Fifteen tomorrow
July 19th, 2008 at 10:09 amyessssss madz u hav also earned a smart guy high five 4 agreeing with me :):):) ^5
July 19th, 2008 at 12:38 pmand i like ur idea about the lands across the sea having dragons… maybe when in his fortune the ship means he goes across the sea… but he does come back but he owns galbo and changes the name of alagaesia so he doesn’t have 2 leave… probly not but just some thoughts
July 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pmAlright, here’s an idea… It’s clear that Murtogh did not go through the training as a Rider as Eregon did. It’s also clear that Murtogh got his powers by binding spirits to himself as a sorcerer. Could it be that Murtogh looses control of these spirits and becomes a Shade like Durza? That would give Eregon a new and VERY powerful enemy… his own brother!
July 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pmwell just think that nausuada will be killed by an assassin and then the little girl with the ignasia on her head. she will commit suicide cuz she cant take it anymore. As for eragons love, he loves katrina and roran is stuck high and dry. as for saphira getting pregnant, she lays eggs. not live birth.so she poops out the egg and thats it. as long as eragon puts a spell on the egg so it doesnt hatch as a wild dragon. the elf queen will die, and arya will take over her duties as queen. ooromis is becoming more and more fragile, and after the battle eragon needs to go finish his training before he passes away.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pmi am 14 how bout u terrapin?
July 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pmK, been scouting over the ELdest book AGAIN and i found something that caught my eye a little bit. In the chapter
July 20th, 2008 at 1:05 amCERIS when they had just met the elves in the forest one of them is singing a song. Lifaen, or whatever he was called. As i was reading i noticed that in the song he sung it meantioned the Menoa tree and had something to do with her and a rider. Again im not sure that it DEFINATLY has something to do with this but maybe it is a clue about Eragon’s weapon. It also mentions flame which could be a hint for Eragon and his name.
Feel free to comment `-`
Oh and by the way, happy birthday for tomorow Iroc.
July 20th, 2008 at 1:11 am(or today, i’m not sure about the time difference)
And in response to Terrapin, i’m fourteen (fifteen in a couple of months) and as a piece of worthless info, i live in NZ.
(for those of you that don’t know it’s the place where they shot Lord Of The Rings)
Seya
as posted berfore i said that i hated king orrin…. who else agrees with me seriosly i mean i am enjoying these…..odd……..theories (arya lesbo etc) but i wan tto know ur appinion of king orrin
July 20th, 2008 at 1:14 amreliah, i like ur post 234 cause i saew that also and it is a major hint.
July 20th, 2008 at 1:16 amoh yeah and i also hate du vrangr gata especially the leader ….. cant remember her name……… she is really bitchy
July 20th, 2008 at 1:17 ami want to know what u think of one of my very early posts wherew i said ” as for roots of the menoa tree it could be roots like history roots maybe?”… tell me what u think
July 20th, 2008 at 1:22 amTo Robbo
July 20th, 2008 at 4:05 amOk, lots to think about.
I’ll start with Orrin. Im still along the lines of ‘What were you thinking!’ When i wonder about him getting the throne. He
is the WRONG person to be leading a place like Surda and Galbatorix must not be the King i thought he was because it wouldn’t take much to defeat him. I put down most of Orrin’s success to the people around him, sooo… Let’s just say, he’s not my favorite character.
As for the leader of Du Vrangr Gata i think that she is an absolute, manipulator who works only for her own benefit and know one else’s. (It’s lucky Saphira banged down the door when she did)
Lastly, as for the roots of the Menoa tree being like the roots of history and not ACTUAL roots (Arya and Eragon searched, it said so in book 2) i think that you could be absolutely right. And about the rider mentioned in the song, do you think that it could have possibly been the first Eragon?
July 20th, 2008 at 4:10 amK ill check this later, seya.
I just hope that Arya has feelings for eragon….
July 20th, 2008 at 4:26 amto reliah,
July 20th, 2008 at 5:59 amthanks for agreeing with me and yeah u could be on the right tracks i believe that it could be eragon 1st in the song however im open about this particular subject
thanks
Thanks for the happy birthday!
Here is one of my ideas regaurding the Gem-Rose that Arya broke in book one. Ormis said that gemstones can be used to transfer energy into and use at a later time. To me it seems that the gem might contain a huge amount of power since it is a gem and was once the floor of the RIDERS room.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:30 pmhey im bak and i hav 2 comments: while eragon may have checked under the tree then that supports my theory that elf lady made it and hid it later (gawd i say that alot) and WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BROM’S DRAGON BEING RED!!!!!! that is all ty
July 20th, 2008 at 9:41 pmto iroc
July 20th, 2008 at 9:44 pmya i like that theory… maybe saphira senses that while repairing it?
for my last comment i just remembered that arya seemed to recognize the rock thingy but forgot where from… just another thing to support it is the true name of helgrind or something
July 20th, 2008 at 9:45 pmOkay, since Eragon is going solo in the war ( says in spoiler) I think the new rider will hatch the dragon AFTER the battle. This supports my 2nd theory! (DOWN THERE)
THIS IS HOW I THINK WILL HAPPEN!
July 20th, 2008 at 10:17 pmThe beggining blah blah blagh and then on chapter 6 sumting……
You know how Angela said that Eragon would love some one of royal blood…maybe its Nasuada! She’s the ruler of the varden!
Okay so this is what happens…..
Eragon battles with the varden and crushes everybody! But then Nasuada gets kidnapped! SHE GETS SENT TO THE EMPIRE AND WHEN SHE’S IN PRISON SHE HATCHES THE GREEN DRAGON EGG! Then at the varden the council will take control and arya will finally let eragon lover her and vice-versa. But when nasuada comes back she is almost as powerful as eragon ALREADY and woos eragon accidently every moment she is with him. Then eragon realizes he wants arya but does not want to break ary’s heart so he must stay with her. But, then they realize that someone is missing they look around and suddenly find out that angela dissapeared. They find her on the battlefield hysterical (or alright) and they realize the only one that could’ve treated her was herself! They watched her dying as she told eragon that she herself was a rider once but was slain by the king but was sent to earth as a solid spirit by the word of the great gods. He meets the god of fire who was told by angela that she failed and eragon still did not know the secrets. He/she will tell eragon the secret to summon the true form of fire and masters it. Then tells him that his name is the Fire PeaceMaker. He uses this power in the next battle , and with nasuada, drives back murtaugh and in the process nasuda realises she loes murtaugh and tells eragon that she cannot stay on earth as if she does she wont be able to resist and will join the king because of her love and says her work is done and she tells eragon to send her to the heavens by blade not magic and says she will fight him for her life. She put up a fierce battle but in the end eragon sucseeded, he watched as his love winced in pain and smiled a smile that would last her a lifetime…. as the hours tunred and the sun slowly set the tide rose a mighty hieght and washed away draining another soul in the void. Then a few weeks later he comes to the menoa tree and finds a sword of the first rider, eragon, it was white but he saw a glimmer of saphire on the edge, with his new found power he drew the power from all the sources of fire excepting the varden he burst the sword with unimaginable heat. Then he thought he had fainted. The next thing he knew he was standing on cliff holding the first rider, eragon, ’s sword, a rainbow yet sapphire colored word that seemed to go into another void forever and ever……and………He found himself on the Gem Rose. He wondered what happened and realized he had accidently teleported with the leftover magic in the balde. But as he felt another wave of pain he felt another ENOUMOUS source of energy. It was so big he felt like he was a god, no EVEN higher than a god! But he realized that it was the gem-star! It felt like there was at least 100 magician’s worth of energy in just one square inch in the gem-star and consider its size he thoguht he had found the largest energy source in all of alagaeisa. Then he realized that this was the place where the riders slept they must have all store their energy here before the battle and most of them died beforer they even go to draw power form it. HERE LIED THE ENERGY OF AT LEAST 100,000 RIDERS IN THIS TOWERING JEWEL!With it he went to the ra’zac and easily killed them at his 2nd attempt. Stay tuned for PART 2 OF MY AWESOME THEORY!
EDITED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, since Eragon is going solo in the war ( says in spoiler) I think the new rider will hatch the dragon AFTER the battle. This supports my 2nd theory! (DOWN THERE)
THIS IS HOW I THINK WILL HAPPEN!
July 20th, 2008 at 10:18 pmThe beggining blah blah blagh and then on chapter 6 sumting……
You know how Angela said that Eragon would love some one of royal blood…maybe its Nasuada! She’s the ruler of the varden!
Okay so this is what happens…..
Eragon battles with the varden and crushes everybody! But then Nasuada gets kidnapped! SHE GETS SENT TO THE EMPIRE AND WHEN SHE’S IN PRISON SHE HATCHES THE GREEN DRAGON EGG! Then at the varden the council will take control and arya will finally let eragon lover her and vice-versa. But when nasuada comes back she is almost as powerful as eragon ALREADY and woos eragon accidently every moment she is with him. Then eragon realizes he wants arya but does not want to break ary’s heart so he must stay with her. But, then they realize that someone is missing they look around and suddenly find out that angela dissapeared. They find her on the battlefield hysterical (or alright) and they realize the only one that could’ve treated her was herself! They watched her dying as she told eragon that she herself was a rider once but was slain by the king but was sent to earth as a solid spirit by the word of the great gods. He meets the god of fire who was told by angela that she failed and eragon still did not know the secrets. He/she will tell eragon the secret to summon the true form of fire and masters it. Then tells him that his name is the Fire PeaceMaker. He uses this power in the next battle , and with nasuada, drives back murtaugh and in the process nasuda realises she loves murtaugh and tells eragon that she cannot stay on earth as if she does she wont be able to resist and will join the king because of her love and says her work is done and she tells eragon to send her to the heavens by blade not magic and says she will fight him for her life. She put up a fierce battle but in the end eragon sucseeded, he watched as his love winced in pain and smiled a smile that would last her a lifetime…. as the hours tunred and the sun slowly set the tide rose a mighty hieght and washed away draining another soul in the void. Then a few weeks later he comes to the menoa tree and finds a sword of the first rider, eragon, it was white but he saw a glimmer of saphire on the edge, with his new found power he drew the power from all the sources of fire excepting the varden he burst the sword with unimaginable heat. Then he thought he had fainted. The next thing he knew he was standing on cliff holding the first rider, eragon, ’s sword, a rainbow yet sapphire colored word that seemed to go into another void forever and ever……and………He found himself on the Gem Rose. He wondered what happened and realized he had accidently teleported with the leftover magic in the balde. But as he felt another wave of pain he felt another ENOUMOUS source of energy. It was so big he felt like he was a god, no EVEN higher than a god! But he realized that it was the gem-star! It felt like there was at least 100 magician’s worth of energy in just one square inch in the gem-star and consider its size he thoguht he had found the largest energy source in all of alagaeisa. Then he realized that this was the place where the riders slept they must have all store their energy here before the battle and most of them died beforer they even go to draw power form it. HERE LIED THE ENERGY OF AT LEAST 100,000 RIDERS IN THIS TOWERING JEWEL!With it he went to the ra’zac and easily killed them at his 2nd attempt. Stay tuned for PART 2 OF MY AWESOME THEORY!
yo nothing else to to whassu my section 2 is comin on the 22nd
July 20th, 2008 at 10:19 pmeh pretty good but i doubt that eragon will kill nasuada. nasuada may fall in love with murtagh tho
July 21st, 2008 at 7:34 amso on pg. 202 of Eldest, when Lifaen is describing what happened to King Palancar, he says “… his descendants never left, and the blood of kings still runs in Therinsford and Carvahall.” do we know anyone, other than Katrina, who might possibly be Eragons true love from either Therinsford or Carvahall? comments?
July 21st, 2008 at 1:10 pmand as for Eragon killing Nasuada… no. not happening.
I also like the idea of the Gem Rose holding enormous amounts of power. it seems fitting.
and to Smart Guy, i agree that Broms dragon had to be red, otherwise his magic wouldn’t be red. I mean, I guess Saphira doesn’t really seem like a red dragon name, but we can make exceptions.
hello, guys. i just discovered this site and i think it is brill. by the way have none of you noticed that on the map that is on the front and back of book 1/2 there is a kind of rock witha sort of sword sickin out of it. and it is unnamed. i think that might be the rock of kuthain.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pmby the way what time do you guys log in
July 21st, 2008 at 5:57 pmim getting bored
July 21st, 2008 at 6:21 pmim getting really realy bored
July 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pmahh, im gonna fall asleep
July 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pmTo Good Reader
July 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pmim not exactly finding this rock. where is it?
To Good Reader
July 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pmim not exactly finding this rock. where is it??
To Good Reader
July 21st, 2008 at 11:24 pmYou mean the murky shapes that are the background behind the dragons that are on the covers? Yeah, i saw those but i never thought that it was the rock of Kuthian. An interesting theory but from what i can see of pictures of the cover of BRISINGR the background is bare.
To Shademaster
July 21st, 2008 at 11:29 pmOk, about your theories. I completely agree with the jem rose holding some sort of power. Perhaps that was what gave Arya the power to lower it to the ground. But as for Eragon killing Nasuada, sorry but i don’t think so. WHY would CP kill her off?
The thing about the heat and the sword just reminded me of something.
July 21st, 2008 at 11:33 pmWhen Eragon stabbed Durza he shouted ‘Brisingr’ and something happened to Zar’roc before he killed him.
What do you think this means?
Perhaps something to do with extracting souls?
to reliah,
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 ami just read that bit and wow i forgot it was gthere that is really interesting so cp has been dropping hints about the wotd” brisingr ” and its relationship with eragon since book 1
going back to the rock thing, it is not on the front of the book but if you look on the map, it is just below helgrind and dras-leana.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 amby the way it could also be a crystal bottle or a hut with a circle on top or a gateway or ANYTHING!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 ami think that brisingr will be the name of the god or he will meet a god of fire
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:24 pmand about the rock thing that is where brom is burried
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 pmHey this is chris and i have to let you guys know two key facts that ive been dying to tell the public. Katrina is the new rider of a green male dragon and she ends up falling for eragon which, as you can imagine, does not please roran
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 pmthat’s not entirely true, dragongirl27. yes, if his true name were brisingr, ppl would run around saying it all the time, but they wouldn’t know they were. after all, the ancient language is more based on will, or thinking, the ancient language is just lyk, a filter if you will. if the speaker has no knowledge, or will to control the person who holds the true name, the magic will simply work as normal.
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 amthat’s not entirely true, dragongirl27. yes, if his true name were brisingr, ppl would run around saying it all the time, but they wouldn’t know they were. after all, magic is more based on will, or thinking, the ancient language is just lyk, a filter if you will. if the speaker has no knowledge, or will to control the person who holds the true name, the magic will simply work as normal.
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 ambut that would mean that eragon is fire wich has already been states as very unlikely… although possible if there is a hidden twist
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 amwow I leave for like maybe 5 days and about a bazillion different theories have popped up.
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pmI’ll havta read over ‘em before I can even post anything…
I’m not kidding…
everyone in here should look up the bilderberg group
July 24th, 2008 at 2:18 amtwo words. fire sword
July 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pmum… firesword was the urgals nickname for him because his sword went all firey when he killed durza… and there were urgals there if you remember… the thing that i wonder about though is that it says HEATLESS flames… whether or not that has any significance or not…?
July 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pmand i was just thinking… why didn’t brom just do the magic without speaking thing to save eragon instead of jumping in front of it? unless maybe he never advanced that far in his training.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pmremember ormis said that they only teach the elves that you can do magic without talking and it was just eragons obvservation that let him know that you could do that.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pmwow no. oromis said they only taught the riders who had proven themself trustworthy of understanding the true nature of magic.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pmTo Terrapin
July 26th, 2008 at 10:52 pmUm…wat is the bilderberg group?
P.S, ’bout time you were back, lol
For everyone who thinks that Elva will be the new rider i think not. Unless Eragon can heal her of her …..ailment sooner because if she were a Rider and she set herself up for people’s misery she would be doing more harm than help.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:56 amsomeone earlier said that saphira doesnt seem like a likely name for a red dragon, which it sort of doesnt but not all saphires are blue they come in a great variety of colors including red proven by isidar mithrim, the star saphire. i think that it is extremely likely that broms dragon is red, also it would add another twist to the story because morzans dragon was red and so possibly that has something to do with broms loyalty to him.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:08 pmto Smartguy: look at page 397 in Eldest. Ormis says, Once again you grasp at knowledge that you are not prepared for. Yet, because of our circumstances, i cannot deny it to you. Only know this: that which you ask for was not taught to riders-andand is not taught to our magicians-until they had, and have, mastered every other aspect of magic…
July 27th, 2008 at 9:06 pmim just wondering but have none of you guys looked at post # 267
July 27th, 2008 at 9:07 pmoh shot sorry smartguy i totally interpreted that quote i just posted wrong. I thought he was saing only Elves you have mastered every aspect of magic and that riders in general didn’t learn it. sorry
July 27th, 2008 at 9:09 pmthe new rider is someone unexpected Katrina or Nasuada maybe Vanir
July 29th, 2008 at 3:41 amIn Brisingr I think there will be a great battle and Murtagh will turn up and fight Nasuada
July 29th, 2008 at 3:46 amChristopher Paolini better not stuff it up like JK Rowling
July 29th, 2008 at 3:48 amI just had a thought and i dont think Brom could be eragons father because i think Brom is gay. Coz im sure that i read in eragon that he loved a women but it was doomed and oromis says “you can not begin to fathom the effect Morzans betrayl had on brom untill you understand the depth of broms affection for him.”
July 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pmplus its not like its unheard of for characters to be gay Dumbledore was.
Also the egg might not hatch till book four, plus i think eragons true name will be fire sword there by including brisingr in it. As for the god i beleve that he will meet Eragon 1 as he’d be like a god. I think the weapon will be broms sword not eragon 1 becaus Bid’duam was white not blue. And as for the pregnancy i am 100% sure its saphiira because Paolini said we would find out if saphira will mate and the rock of kuthian is helgrind its gotta be
post 267 is apparently from CP and it says that katrina will be the new rider of a green male dragon and will fall in love with eragon which obviously makes roran mad.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pmwhoever posted 267 is a liar. CP might read fan sites, but he would not post anything; especially anything that would give away plot points to his next book, and potentially damage sales potential. whether you like it or not, books are written 99.999999% of the time to make money. Spoilers are sometimes released to the public to encourage readers to speculate and ponder the sequal, but those spoilers are carefully planned and released in a place that is owned and operated by the publisher. CP is under contract with his publisher, and that contract probably has a non-disclosure agreement that states only certain info will be released, and CP is not allowed to say more. It sucks because he is the author, however, that is the way the world works. you write a book, you sell it to a publisher, and the publisher gets it out to the public. CP gets paid based on sales, as does the publisher, and CP no longer has control over the published work. His only job now is to write the conclusion, make appearances, and otherwise stay out of the way of the marketing train.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:28 pmI am not Chritopher Paolini
July 29th, 2008 at 11:28 pmI am Crack Pipe
July 29th, 2008 at 11:31 pmI am Cock Puncher
I am Crap Pants
I am Cukoo Poopoo
I am Crotch Pillow
I am Cold Piss
I am Class President
I am Christmas Present
Terrapin, ur completly rite.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:07 amUnfortunately authors, especially young ones (like when CP started writing his book) are bound by contracts. Before they made a name for themselves in their first novels it is hard to get going and instead of wanting to put in what they wanted it’s the publishers main word. It’s the same thing that happened with when they were making the movie Eragon. Perhaps if the author, the ONE WHO WROTE IT had, had more say then it wouldn’t have turned out so disappointing.
As for you CP (comment above), it’s people like you who give the net a bad name. Some people are here because they enjoy the books and want to discuss them. But when idiotic liars come on and try to fu!k with people’s heads by saying they’re someone their not it defeats the purpose.
p.s i agree-you are all those things.
hey raliah, i wrote the last couple of CP posts to make a point…anyone can say they’re CP on this site…that’s all
July 30th, 2008 at 12:25 amyou’re right on about the movie. CP’s only input was the Actor that played eragon was to be a no-name actor. everything else was up to FOX.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:28 amWhat the…why would you bother to do something like that?
July 30th, 2008 at 12:46 amGreat, now i feel like the B!^ch-thanks alot lol
July 30th, 2008 at 1:17 amOh and by the way…crotch pillow? Cock puncher? CRAP PANTS?
Really?
things that start w/C & P
July 30th, 2008 at 1:27 amThat whole thing was like totally random-if i had known you were making a point i wouldn’t have snapped at u, sorry. `-`
July 30th, 2008 at 1:30 amyou werent really snapping at me because you thought i was the jackass that wrote post #267
July 30th, 2008 at 2:34 amI think Eragon will die in the 4th Book don’t ask me y
July 30th, 2008 at 4:24 amI’m sorry. can I say that the Ultimate weapon is nothing. Just Eragon
July 30th, 2008 at 4:27 amok wow nice conversation terra and reliah and very……….interesting where did this ultimate weapon come from?
July 30th, 2008 at 4:51 amidk about the ultimate weapon but wat bout the person who dies. i think it could be roran or arya.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pmin the book it says that he has to leave alaegesia for good. it might be bc the death
katrina would be an awesome rider but if she falls in love w/eragon that would piss me off bc he should get 2gether w/ arya
July 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm…wow the people on this site keep getting weirder and weirder theories….
July 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pmmaybe you should read the books again and try to get a feel for the story. THEN you can come and make legit suggestions like: Oromis and Glaedr probably die at the end of the book by sacrificing themselves for Eragon and Saphira and ?new rider? because they know that the secrets of the Dragon Riders are safe with them and that they have had enough training, they only need experience.
Humor me please.
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…where do you people all go?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pmI must come on at the completely wrong times…
if anyone is out there POST something! I want to chat with someone!
wow i need some sleep……..zzzzzzzzzz…..z..z……zzzz…….zzzz
Omg, i feel like such an idiot, sorry everyone
July 30th, 2008 at 11:29 pmBut as for Eragon dying i don’t think it will happen coz he’s the main character
And where did it say things about the ultimate weapoon?
I must have missed that one
Sorry again
ultimate weapon? cite your source please.
305eragonROCKS Says:
Oromis and Glaedr probably die at the end of the book by sacrificing themselves for Eragon and Saphira
This I think is a good theory. Oromis and Glaeder are kind of expendable, and CP makes you like them just enough that you’ll be dissapointed when they die.
July 31st, 2008 at 12:53 amThe weapon under the Menoa Tree has to be …..Broms Sword.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:46 amThink about it Brom lost his sword and begged Rhunon to forge him a new one. Also Brom probably lost it in the Elven festivals, Oromis said he had seen humans get lost in them before. Plus Eragon will finally have a blade to match Saphiras color.
=P
My dear fellow Readers,
Either none of you posted it, or perhaps my beautiful eyes missed it (lol), don’t you guys thing that Glaedr will me as much important as THORN in Book 2 (the cover having the pic of Thorn) and Saphira in Book 1 (the cover having the pic of Saphira)???
July 31st, 2008 at 2:05 amglaedr has to be important i agree w/ oromis and glaedr sacrificing themselves and the last dragon egg will totally be on the cover of the last book. the last dragon should totally mate w/ saphira tho
July 31st, 2008 at 3:31 pmi like it wen people use their imaginations a bit…but i think u shud follow gut instinct and facts to base ur ideas upon…otherwise it jst sounds like ur imagination is way outa hand.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pmall the stuff u hear about otherwise will hav cum from tht shutugal site.
but thinkin bobut tht stuff…it all sounda to obvious….especially arya becoming the new rider…it made sense a long time ago wen it wasnt discussed so much and i had jst read the book fo rthe first time but now it is so expected i dont think she is. CP said we would be slightly surprised but not shocked.
i was jst thinkin tht the reason eragon leaves alagaesia forever might be because he dies on his travels or…(and i no this sounds really far fethched and im being a bit of a hypocrit to my own rant above) but he could travel in time and become the first eragon…the problem wiv tht theory tho is the dragon…tht is jst my imagination running away again tho
the other idea is tht maybe it is not arya and eragon getin on tht boat but katrina and roran…it might not even be in alageasia because it could be the voyage eragon never comes bk from…
and also the dragon dusnt hav to be aryas..it could be murtaghs or the new riders (who i am skeptical about being arya)
eragon dusnt hav to fall in love wiv the new rider it would jst form a bond and tht cud be a bond of friendship…i mean…think of all the riders in the past hus dragons have mated…its more thn likely tht sum of the riders wud have been the same sex but had their own loves
lastly i think tht is a very gd point bout broms magic being red huever sed tht….but r u sure…i hav always taken it for granted tht broms dragon was blue…maybe after the dragon died the part tht gave him blue magic died aswell?
anyway thts it
wat do u think?
broms dragon was blu and the new dragon should be green. it would be cool for arya to be rider but it seems more likely to be katrina or nausada
July 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pmI will be more glad if the rider is Vanir—- because he knows magic beyond normal limits, because he can cast magic without opening his mouth.
But yeah, there is no doubt that Murtagh’s power was derived from Souls—I thought about it when I read the book, but someone also mentioned that in this in this webpage
July 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pmRight this is what I believe. The next rider will be Elva. She already carries the mark of the rider and it just makes since to me. As for the father issue well I would like to think it is Brom. With every sibling there will look a bit like each other. But lets face it over all they don’t look alike. Besides they say that Brom’s love was the downfall to whom he loved.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:29 pmagreed———–but I HATE Elva!!! CP will not want to make a charaacter a rider if he knows that I will get hurt!
jk
August 1st, 2008 at 3:08 amthe new rider cant eb human because they will already have to know the ancient language and all. it would hav to be an elf … or maybe angela (i dont know if she knows the ancient language). just think about how long it took eragon to make it to the point he is now…years. the varden dont have tht much time…murtugh’s powers were (likely) increased by the vault of souls so unless eragon finds the vault of souls and uses them to make the new rider more powerful (an idea tht has only jst come to me but i dont think is likely because he would release them and save them from an eternity of hell) the new rider has to know about magic…an elf is the only thing powerful enough.
August 1st, 2008 at 6:26 amagree on the elf part but to comment 315 i dont think it will be elva unless her “blessing” is removed. w/ the blessing she cant function normally enuff to be a rider. she could put herself and dragon in danger to help someone else. i think it should be katrina roran or arya
August 1st, 2008 at 10:39 amI think its funny how everyone assumes the next dragon will be on the good side, galbatorix has control of the egg now, and if it did hatch while he has it the next rider would be one that nobody expected like cp said, since nobody has even suggested that idea that im aware of.
Im not saying thats the way I want it to be, i just thought it was amusing
August 1st, 2008 at 10:53 amif the last dragon will be on galbatorix’s side then murtagh would have to switch sides at some point in brisingr otherwise the good and evil balance would be off
August 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pmi wudnt be surprised if it eas vanir at this point…CP is clever like tht…he will make things sound as if they will be something else
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pmeveryones thoughts are movin in the same direction…i dont think it is gona be arya and it has to be an elf…nor do i think it will be a bad person because tht upsets the balance to the point of imposiblity for the varden.
so we need an elf…vanir is the onlly one tht comes to mind unless it is an elf we havnt met yet…which wudnt surprise me either.
wow therez bin sum crazzy ideas in the last few dayz… im starting to think that elva will play a much bigger role than anyone seems to expect… no author will write something like that in just fow a few extra pages…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pmabout the whole broms magic being red. well didn’t he say i you really want to you can make the color channge like for fire. i mean imagine the questions that would come from eragon if the fire was completly blue when brom “cursed”
August 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pmhi every1!!! nways i think thatbrom is eragons father nd i dont kno who will be the green dragons rider!! i think that eragons weapon will be the sword nd i dont kno abt the god either but im sure its maybe an actual god bcz i doubt its a place or a group of peepl as some1 suggested!! nways…every here has some reallly good ideas!!!
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:26 amp.s. who said that saphira was a rapist nd arya was a lesbian?!!! hahaahah
p.s.s. i dont like arya much either
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:28 amalso bcz i read it sum where earlier…im 15 nd i live in US, OKLAHOMA
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 amwen murtagh says morzan is his nd eragons dad in the ancient language…it doesnt meen hes 100% right cuz u can say wat u BELIEVE is true in the ancient language but it doesnt have to actually BE true!!! get it?
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:33 amhey people i have just relised that no one has really touched on this subject…..how will galbotorix die….personally i hope the varden lays seige to uru-baen but what are your ideas?
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:58 pmyeah smart guy, I agree with you, though I don’t think that Elva will be Rider………..
And Harry, I really was also thinking that what if the Rider will be on Galbatorix’s side…….to be honest, i really think that thats what it really might happen you know. Authors like shocking people!!! And then, if there will be a new Rider on the good side, then Eragon’s SIGNIFICANCE will end—what do you guys think??!!
And yeah Robbo, I think that ‘how Galbatorix will die’ can only be given ‘proper’ thoughts after reading 3rd book—-because right now we don’t even know that what kind of powers Eragon will get in 3rd book!!!
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmcomment 327 has a good point when they pointed out. murtagh says morzan is his nd eragons dad in the ancient language…it doesnt meen hes 100% right cuz u can say wat. but you also have to remember that elves talk in the ancient language too but that don’t always say real truths. so if murtagh believes it’s the truth then he could say it in the ancient language.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pmeragon=luke skywalker
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 ambrom=obiwan kinobi
morzan=vader
oromis=yoda
arya=leia
emperor=galbo
murtagh=han solo
empire=empire
i just finished watching the old star wars films, and realized that CP has ripped most of his story from the SW series.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 amNot that i care, anyone who has read my previous posts knows i love the inheritance trilogy, and i know there’s nothing new under the sun.
I posted 331 just to point out some of the many similarities between the two stories. Of coure eragon and arya are not bro and sis, and han solo and luke were not brothers, but all in all the two stories are very similar.
I truly hope that CP can get past this whole damsel in distress chivalry sh*t, and branch the story in a way that we will never guess.
I think CP is a brilliant writer with loads of imagination, and I sincerely hope we are all wrong.
When the last of the potter series was coming out I had read each of the first six books six times each, and figured out almost all of the major plot points, snape is a good guy, so on and so forth. In a way I was proud of myself for guessing so accurately, but on the other hand it kind of sucks that i knew certain things were going to happen before i read them.
Regardless of all these facts, i have decided to read eldest one more time to see if i can gleam anything else; because i love mystery and intrigue as much as any elf.
there’s less than two months to go before all is revealed so please keep up the good work theorizing the plot line, and post your theories promptly.
I like your comparison of Star Wars and Eragon……….but then, if you look more closely, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter also have the same plot as Eragon and Star Wars……..
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 ami think that the major person that dies will be islanzadi or angelena!!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:53 amany comments??
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 amalso i dont think elvas freeky!!! shes weird but its intriguing(did i spell that right???)nd i wanna kno the full extent of her powers!! if ny 1 has ny ideas plz post em!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 amby the way….does every 1 here think the weapon under the menoa tree is broms BLUE sword??? ur all wrong!!!! broms sword was RED!! his sword was RED bcz his magic was RED bcz his dragon was RED!! they say in the book wen eragon nd brom spar with swords nd brom teaches eragon how to blunt the swords edge with magic!!! broms spark of magic was red while eragons was blue!! nd that meens broms dragon was red bcz he said a riders magic is the same color as his dragon!!! same with swords!! broms sword there 4 was RED NOT BLUE!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 amK, bin thinking over Brom’s whole red magic thing.
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 amJust because his magic was red then doesn’t have to mean that it always was. He said that you could choose the color of your magic. I think that the reason Brom’s magic was red then was because of Morzan. How it says in ELdest ‘You cannot fathom the effect Morza’s betrayal on Brom until you understood the true depth of Brom’s affection for him.’ Perhaps the reason that Brom’s magic was red was because he couldn’t get the fact that he killed Morzan out of his head. It says he was obsessed with killing him in the first place. It could be that his magic is (or was) mimicking that as a result. Brom’s magic could have been any color but when i think of the name ‘Saphira’ it makes me think of blue coz of the word sapphire.
Oh and with the whole Star War’s comment from Terrapin i see a resemblance there to and it’s valid, though my comparisson not with star wars (personally not into sci-fi stuff) mine is with Lord of the Rings. It kinda concerned me a bit at the start when i started reading them for the first time a while ago. There were some MAJOR similarities.
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 amDon’t get me wrong, im not dissing CP or trying to accuse him of anything. I like his books. They’re gr8.
But i suppose it just kinda happens. Writing fantasy has borderlines. I learnt that first hand myself. Characters that belong to fantasy. Elves, Dragon’s, big monsters like urgals or something fairly similar to achieve the same affect. They do collide in some places. But the authors make them different in their own ways and i think CP did that really well.
Sorry, a bit more from me (im bored lol)
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 amSomeone asked how i think Galbatorix will die.
As it said above you won’t be able to tell until book 4 but i have very many fantasies on how i would LIKE him to die. Either way, i won’t bore you with them but i can only say that i hope very much that there are two things involved.
1# He won’t see it coming at all
2# It hurts alot (he deserves that)
P.S Harry Potter? Way 2 predictable for my taste. The only book i really enjoyed was number 7. It tied it together well
Still the Inheritance Trilogy is way better
maybe broms magic would have been red before he had a dragon then it urned to blue because of blue dragon…then dragon dies so it goes bk to reed?
the idea of him havin red magic really interestin because it could be the pivot for a major twist in the tale.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:01 amon the other hand we could just be following a loose thread
well i think broms dragon was a totally unpredictable color like puke green or purple or pink or something and his magic was red becasue he loved morzan. and i also think that broms dragon may b somehow related to sapphira. like dad or bro or suming. i cant member if his dragon was male or female. and does sapphira know who her dad is?? cant remembber and if brom dragon is male then possibly be sapphiras daddy
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmbroms dragon is called saphira and was a girl.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmsaphira knows who her parents were and so this cant be right
i totally think that brom had a blue dragon and idk where ppl get the idea that it is red. magic can change and i agree w/ the idea that bc he loved morzan so much his magic color should change that way.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 pmGot an awesome idea as to how Galbatorix should die: a betrayal from his own dragon. or his own dragon dies and he cant stand it a second time. but if shrukin turns on him for sapphira that would be cool
okay, so, what do you guys think? Will the 3rd Rider be onthe good side or the dark side??
August 4th, 2008 at 12:04 amAs far as magic color is concerned, all brom ever said is that it varies from person to person…it has nothing whatsoever to do with the color of the dragon.
Brom is so obviously eragon’s dad i can’t believe we’re still debating this.
Concerning galbo’s death, i’m convinced that shruikan will live on after galbo is killed and he is the second dragon in eragon’s dream.
Galbo and shruikan are not linked like normal rider and dragon…galbo had to use magic in order to make shruikan submit to him, his dragon is basically a slave, and since he doesn’t share the link of a normal rider, galbo can die without upsetting shruikan in the least bit.
I’ve got a feeling we’re all going to be surprised at how galbo dies, but it’s not going to happen til book 4.
As far as Eragon’s true name is concerned, any elf could tell him, so he, in theory, could learn it at any time by asking arya, oromis, izlanzadi, or any other elf.
oh, and one more similarity between star wars and eragon….luke skywalker is out looking for R2D2 when he realizes that his family is in danger, so he rushes back (just like eragon) to find them murdered by the empire, which is what gives him the motivation to fight the empire, again, just like eragon.
brom had a blue dragon named saphira, therefore his sword was blue, and i’m fairly certain the book says it was lost, not destroyed.
I’m still not convinced the weapon under the menoa tree is a tangible weapon, or that the aforementioned menoa tree is the actual tree. Remember that Oromis is very old, and knows alot more than he has yet revealed to eragon. He gave him a scroll with a painting of the menoa tree on it, and Eragon has not looked at it again since he recieved it. Could it not be that Oromis gave Eragon the information he needs to defeat galbo in a hidden message somewhere towards the bottom of the scroll. The book says that Eragon knew that of all the gifts he recieved from Oromis, the scroll was the most valuable.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:10 amJust a few random thoughts….let me know what you think
The third rider will be good, in order to continue with the symetry that Eragon references after fighting murtagh. 2 good, and 2 bad.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:12 amwhat do you all think will happen to sloan the douche? raazac entree?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:14 amthis is so totally unimportant, but today i read in eldest that lifaen the elf told eragon that the boat would turn the direction of the side on which he paddled. bullsh*t. it’s the other way around. not that it makes a bit of difference, but anyone who’s ever paddled a boat knows this to be true.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:18 amEragon will meet Morgothol the god
August 4th, 2008 at 12:19 amsaphira and eragon just might be captured by galbo and saphira is forced to mate with shruikan, whereby she becomes the pregnant character in book 3. afterwards, murtagh and thorn will help them to escape since murtagh only swore in the ancient language to try and capture them, and said nothing about keeping them prisoner if they are captured. Murtagh obviously hates galbo, and wants to live free of any ruler, he knows the only way to free himself from galbo’s bondage is to help eragon kill him.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:25 amI’m very curious as to how Galbo learned murtagh and thorn’s true names.
Do you guys think that Shruikan is really evil?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:39 amIt said in book 2 that he was ‘twisted by certain black magics’. What i want to happen is that Shruikan is somehow freed by the bindings from Eragon or Saphira (or both) and then he turns nasty on Galbatorix. I mean Galbatorix did kill his rider after all. That would be so cool, and unexpected at the same time. Everyone seems to think that Saphira will be the green dragons mate. That seems really predictable. OMG i wish that the book was out now!!!
P.S What’s a Douche?
About Murtagh and Thorn’s names, im not really sure.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:44 amI think that somehow tis is all tied into the vault of souls.
If Galbatorix found it, it could pssobly give him acsess to all sorts of spells. Maybe that has something to do with how he found out.
I’ve also been thinking about Roran a bit.
What do you think is going to happen to him and Katrina? (if either of them don’t become a rider i mean) One of the main reasons i think Saphira is pregnant is because for one of the humans to have a baby would really complicate things.
reliah good bout about shruican i think that maybe when eragon kills galb he manages to do a spell and keeps shruikan alive and maybe has two dragons or gives one to…whoever
August 4th, 2008 at 2:22 amfirstly, to RALIAH: i’m not sure galbo killed shruikan’s rider, i could be wrong, i just don’t remember that actually being said; but i don’t think shruikan is evil. i get the feeling you might agree with me. You’re right about him being twisted by evil magic though, and that makes me think that Eragon (and possibly Murtagh) get together with the elves, and somehow turn Shruikan away from Galbo….I’m not sure Shr. will kill Galbo however. That to me seems like a job for Arya or Eragon, probably Eragon.
Secondly, to everyone: I’ve been thinking that Nasuada might be the one to die. If so, Eragon takes charge of the Varden until Galbo is killed, at which time he gives up the throne to Roran who becomes king of Alagaesia.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:26 ami think we r slowly peicing things together.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:30 amcharacter becomes pregnant- saphira will at some point so why not now and reliah is right tht it would only complicate things if a human or elf became pregnant. so hu dus she become pregnant by? im thinking shruikan because it makes sense in a wierd twisted way. not the green dragon because one of 2 things will happpen in the book
1. green dragon hatches
2. eragon finds vault of souls and/or the weapon under the menoa tree.
they havnt got the green dragon egg yet but they are in deasperate need of a weapon
so eragon goes to the menoa tree and figures it out.
this means they will save the green dragon for the last book to make it interesting.
…or (oh god there goes the feeling of having something figured out) the green dragon will hav to hatch in this book because it needs time to mature.
but tht makes less sense
i feel like i found a single piece to a 1000 peice puzzle
comments?
the problem with nasuada dying is tht the varden will be turned upside down … not like they are already outweighed by the empire dramatically
August 4th, 2008 at 3:40 amalso, i cant quite remember but didnt eragon say he wudnt take over the varden cos he doesnt want to hav power. but it hink there is a possibility tht roran might become leader of the varden if she dies cos he killed the twins and lead carvahall and gained the varden 300 new members.
i do think tht nasauda prob is most likely to die.
the only person i am desperate to stay alive is murtagh. he was so gr8 b4 galby got to him.
I agree. Murtagh is an awesom character. I think that he was deinatly one of my favourites. But the possibility of Muartagh dying is really high because it will help to solve alot of problems for lots of people. (I hate that fact!) As for Nasuada dying, i cant help but agree with Terrapin and Opheila that it could happen. She’s a good character to have and a resourceful person but somehow i can’t imagine Roran just giving up and living how he used to. He seems like an awesom person to lead the Varden..it’s just kinda fits.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:50 amJust for a random note Murtagh was the only character i think they got right in the movie (he was hot to) and perhaps if Brom had looked a little different he would have been right for the part.
well, raliah, you were right about galbo and morzan killing shruikan’s rider, its on pg.280
August 4th, 2008 at 6:05 amnasuada asked eragon to be her successor right before the last battle, i’m not sure whether he accepted or not though. I seem to recall something about what a huge responsibility and honor it was for her to ask him…and i don’t really think it would tear the varden apart too badly; i just can’t see a reason to kill her. that’s the main problem i have with my own argument.
as to the new rider–jesus, who knows?? we’ve been around this so many times, i wonder if we’re not missing something hidden in plain sight.
on a side note..raliah, are you reading the books right now? there’s really no shame in it, i’m reading eldest for the fourth time, simply to fugure out the mystery, you seem to know your facts pretty well, and i just figured you are reading one of the books again.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:14 ami know im a little late in saying this but, as someone mentioned a while ago, broms dragon could be red and saphira would still fit… ex. the star saphire was a red saphire, not the common blue. and i think that shruikan might be the founder of wild dragons, because he was never taught all of the magical dragon stuff like saphira was…
August 4th, 2008 at 11:15 amalso i’m just wondering how the elves got their leather… they obviously didnt kill for it and it would freak them out to peel the skin of an animal… so unless they found it lying around or something it makes no sense… like arya was casually wearing a leather outfit and all of the dragons saddles involved leather… in the riders time all of the leather to make saddles would be far to much to just get it in any of the previously mentioned methods… wow i just wrote that much about something that CP probably didnt even notice…
August 4th, 2008 at 11:28 amfounder of wild dragons? what te hell are you talking about?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pmthe leather came from animals that died of natural causes
agree on the leather part. i dont think nasuada will die. if she does then it will be the 2nd varden leader to die in just a few years. i think it will be either elva or oromis and glaedr
August 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pmi kinda agree about the leather but if you would refuse to eat an animal even if it died of natural causes wouldnt u be creaped out to skin it ?
and by founder of the wild dragons i mean that most of shruikans children will be wild dragons which will correct the balance of the three races or something like that… it may be that having only rider dragons will unite the races… but wild dragons should return… if only to piss off the dwarves
August 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pmi think that some wild dragons do exist either in the spine or on Vroengard or some other unknown place and they will come back to help in the 4th book
August 4th, 2008 at 6:28 pmhmmm… maybe… there have been similar theories involving vroengard
August 4th, 2008 at 8:34 pmTo Terrapin:
August 4th, 2008 at 11:44 pmI’m not really reading the books again, merely skimming parts where it would be possible to loose something. For example the reason i was thinking what i did about Lifaen’s song was because i wanted to re-read the part when Arya meets her own kind again-it was a total acident until i started to piece it together.
As for the comments on leather im not relly surprised that they wear it. It fits in well with the kind of race that they are. In some places i can’t imagin an elf wearing those huge plates of bulky armour. If you ask me it would slow them down. I agree with the thought that the animals probably would have died of natural causes. I mean, Izlanzadi still wore the swan feathers and they are made from animals to (even if that is kind of different but still)
August 4th, 2008 at 11:51 pmthe idea about lifaens song is really starting to make sense now
August 5th, 2008 at 10:26 amya… like i said cp probably didnt even think about the leather… what do you guys think is the purpose of pages 75-76 in eldest when angela is collecting the toadstools… again it is probably nothing but she doesnt say anything that appears important and i doubt cp would just write 2 pages for the heck of it
August 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pmI think… and this is big “I think,” but i think that Brom had a thing with Izlanzadi, not selena. Think about it, Angels said that he had a tragic future with love and we all know that elves and humans, even humans with dragons arnt the best pair, especialy when one is of noble birth. Sure she was married but it couldve been a fling after that king guy died. And Izlandzadi kinda seemed sad when she remembered Saphira’s name and when Eragon told her brom died. this also gives a kinda symatry if brom is eragons dad even though murtagh said morzan was in the antient language. but that could just mean that only he believes its true
August 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pmto tht last comment…tht wud be kinda wierd considerin tht eragon loves arya and if his father did fling wiv aryas mother it wud be edging slightly on the creepy side?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pmleather?…tht is a bit of a randon thought…im not sure they cud get so much tho from all animals dying from natural causes…but hu knows…i dnt think CP anticipated tht one.
i can c wat u mean bout nasuadas death not being entirely necesary but in a way it knid of is. eragoon has too many problems to keep so maybe nasuadas seath wud release his binds on tht one…also i do think murtagh and her had love at first sight kind of thing and wat if it haelps him rebel in some way? also ereagon needs to show the council once and for all tht he can lead the varden and tht if they atempt to make it dificult for him unecesarily thn they tr v stupid
but i think oromis and gleadr will die sometime soon because of the mysterious illness and all. but i think CP will want a death in the blaze of glory, going down fighting.
btw wat was the idea bout lifeans song…and wat was lifeans song? been long time since i read the books sory
August 5th, 2008 at 5:35 pmi believe that it was actually nari’s song although im not certain and to travalino while that may be an unlikely possiblility what is most likely is that brom got especially pissed at morzan after he stole selena and then did her real hard when he found her again and that was why she hid eragon… and i just remembered that oromis told eragon that broms YOUNG dragon was killed in the fighting at doru areaba so that probly explains why brom didnt know all the stuff i was talking about a while ago
August 5th, 2008 at 8:26 pmi know what i said was really stretching it, it just kinda seemed likely from my point of view while i was reading, but im still not convinced that brom is eragons dad. im still thinking about murtagh saying in the antient language that they had the same dad, though i know that that could be a lie because murtagh thinks its true. like if your colorblind and you think its true that the sky is red, but it really isnt, you could still say in the antient language that it is red because it is to you.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:39 pmyeah… whatever floats your boat… personally my boat is floated by the wood and air and stuff
August 5th, 2008 at 9:57 pmTo Opheila
August 6th, 2008 at 1:17 amWhat we’re talking about is that in the chapter ‘Ceris’, Pg’s 268 and 269 when Arya is meeting the elves who are like some sort of Guard for the forest one of tehm sings a song (it actually was Nari’s song, my bad) In the song it says stuff about the Menoa tree having something to do with the first Eragon.
Here’s a copy of the song for reference on the site
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The day is done, the stars are bright
The leaves are still, the moon is white
Laugh at woe and laugh at foe
Menoa’s scion now is safe this night
A forest child we lost to strife
A sylvan daughter caught by life
Freed of fear and freed of flame
She tore a rider from the shadows rife
Again the dragons rise on wing
And we avenge their suffering
Strong of blade and strong of arm
The time is ripe for us to kill a king
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August 6th, 2008 at 1:22 amThe wind is soft the river deep
The trees are tall the birds do sleep
Laugh at woe and laugh at foe
The hour has arrived for joy to reap
Some thoughts one the song
August 6th, 2008 at 1:26 amHow it says ‘laugh at woe and laugh at foe’ i think it may have something to do with the laughing enemy that was mentioned
And in the third verse it talks about the suffering of the dragons and how they will avenge it. Perhaps the fall of the dragons and now they will ‘Kill a king?’ (Galbatorix)
But i don’t know what ‘She tore a rider from the shadows rife’ means
Let me know
Just a last note, i meant above that i THINK the song has something to do with the first Eragon. I’m not completely sure but i can’t think of any other dragon rider that we know of around that time whom it could have been. And it does have a certain symmetry to it don’t you think?
August 6th, 2008 at 1:30 ampsh, watev. you have your opinions i have mine, thats why this is here, so we can voice them supposedly without scorn. XP
August 6th, 2008 at 2:19 amscion (n.) A descendant or heir.
scion (n.) A detached shoot or twig containing buds from a woody plant, used in grafting.
Menoa’s scion now is safe this night
sylvan (adj.) Relating to or characteristic of woods or forest regions.
sylvan (adj.) Located in or inhabiting a wood or forest.
sylvan (n.) One that lives in or frequents the woods.
A sylvan daughter caught by life
August 6th, 2008 at 2:51 amFreed of fear and freed of flame
She tore a rider from the shadows rife
i think the song is more of a profecy:
A forest child we lost to strife
A sylvan daughter caught by life
Freed of fear and freed of flame
She tore a rider from the shadows rife
this bit is telling a part tht has alredy happened.. eragoon savin arya and her helpin him to the varden and stopin the dark side from catchin him.
Again the dragons rise on wing
And we avenge their suffering
Strong of blade and strong of arm
The time is ripe for us to kill a king
happening at the minute. dragons are once gain hatching and hav riders and they r not goin to let their species die out. eragon gained his powers so he is now strong etc
the other verses hav less to tell of the story. i dont know bout them
August 6th, 2008 at 2:57 amok, here goes: possibly, Arya is the subject of the song, The lady in the menoa tree is possibly her Grandmother, and since Arya has just returned to Du Weldenvarden, he begins his “rough composition” celebrating her return. She also fits the “Sylvan daughter” mentioned, i.e. the smell of crushed pine needles that’s always around her, she now is free from Durza, “freed of fear…” Eragon is the rider torn from the many (rife) shadows. In other words, she left with an egg, and came back with a rider from the shadowed world outside the forest.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:00 amAnyway, it’s just a thought. Raliah, i’m glad you brought up this song, because it’s obviously important. Poems and songs are great places to put clues and hints because so few people pay them much attention, much less read them a few times, and figure out what it is about.
I’m reminded of Tolkein, Lewis, Swift, and Im sure there are many other authors that have hidden clues and hints in poetry simply for the reasons i just mentioned.
I really would like to know if anyone else has any ideas on this.
just thought about it, but sylvan daughter could refer to any female elf, i guess
August 6th, 2008 at 3:02 ami think that if the menoa tree elf was aryas grandma they would mention it somewhere!!!
August 6th, 2008 at 4:51 amalso how did shruikan live if galbatorix killed his rider?? wouldnt he die from the shock??? ezpecially since he was still a hatchling.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:54 ami wonder if he knos that galbatorix isnt his real rider??!! ny thoughts?
Well, i have a litle strange teory about the ryder, i think its oromis parent or son, cuz in every book the dragon in the cover normaly appears in the history, so if we belive in Saphira (Eragon) Saphira (Broom) are both blue cuz of inheritance, we also can believe that oromis had a son. And the kuthian rocks stuff, i agree with eragon(original) blade teory.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:30 amterrapin19 u just took all of my ideas…:( still on the topic of the menoa tree, would it be possible for eragon to talk to it if he tried? he was just observing it before but will the tree be to busy with the plants and stuff? maybe the tree tells him about where the weapon is or something like that? also, wouldnt it be possible to draw energy from the tree? a tree that big would have enormous stores of it that could power a huge spell… as for it being original eragons blade, while i dont support the theory there is still a chance, because on page 304 eragon asks arya if rhunon made all the riders swords, every last one and arya replies that and more… so the 1st eragon almost definatly did have a special sword
August 6th, 2008 at 11:21 amand as for how shruikan lived, glaedr taught them how to survive each others doom… although since shruikan was a hatchling he wouldnt have learned that, remember how weak eragons connection was to saphira when she first hatched? i doubt that shruikans original rider was bonded enough with shruikan to kill him in that manner
August 6th, 2008 at 11:23 amKaran Says:
I have seen several times (and not only on this site) the theory that the green dragon already hatched, with support from the quote “shard of green dragon egg”! Now honestly, people, that’s absurd! Eragon did so at the stone of broken eggs, in Du Wendelvarden and I doubt galbatorix will have hidden it there… he can’t in any case!! And scenaristically, it would be a MESS!!! So I think it goes thus:
The next rider has been announced by Paolini (I saw an interview somewhere) as someone completely unexpected… so I think Arya can be ruled out, she’s just too obvious a candidate… Having studied Eragon’s first vision after he dragged Garrow from the farm (that vision with a couple goin’ in a boat & two dragons overhead and all that), I think the man in the couple is Eragon. The woman is then his true love, possibly the new rider. So the new rider has a good chance of being a she! It would also mean that Eragon will not end up with Arya but realize his heart lies elswhere (that’d be cool, Arya pisses me off BAD)
i agree and disagree with u i think that Arya is going to be the next rider but i agree that Now honestly, people, that’s absurd! Eragon did so at the stone of broken eggs, in Du Wendelvarden because it also said that the shard was faded i should know that because i have read both Eragon and eldest about 10 to 15 times
August 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pmi agree the Brisinger is going to be the name of Eragon’s new sword and that it was the frist Eragon’s sword the reason that i think that it is going to be the name of the sword is because Eragon and Brisinger Eragon is Dragon only with a E witch is Dragon and fire
August 6th, 2008 at 4:36 pmThorn i totaly agree with ur theroy about Blagden says to Eragon “While two may be two, and one is certainly one, one may be two” I think that it mean that while two brothers may be two brothers (Murtagh and Eragon) and one mother may be one mother (Salina) one father may be two fathers (Morzan and Brom) Chew on that and let me know what you think.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:06 pmno offence marksmen, but wtf was that 1st post? basically everything you said has been discussed thoroly already and the end of your last one just doesnt make sence to me… and i think that brisingr will be more signifigant because i heard somewhere that brisingr was supposed to be more important than expected, and as a name of a sword it just seems to obvious
August 6th, 2008 at 5:09 pm34Karan Says:
Personnally I am extremely skeptical about Brom being Eragon’s dad! Honestly, maybe the the thing about him and a woman is jsut a mere anecdote of no importance… and of course, there is the one big big detail wich no one seems to have mentioned: when Murthag said that they were brothers, that Morzan was their father, HE SAID IT IN THE ANCIENT LANGUAGE! I strongly believes that puts a dead end to any hope of Brom being Eragons’ father… sorry to be such a killerjoy, but it’s all too logical!
And about Blagdens’ enigma: I think it’s clear that we’re nowhere near to finding what it means than that whole buisness about the rock of Kuthian! So I say lets’ not grow too impatient, people, the whole damn thing will only take on its’ meaning when the time of fulfillment actually come!
u are a dumb ass did u read every thing that both book revield he said it in the ANCIENT LANGUAGE because he thought it was true the elves do that all the time the twins found that the had the same mom taht dose not mean that the had the same dad dumbass
August 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pmbut like i said a few comments above, that could just mean that murtagh believed it to be true. just because you believe somthings true dosnt make it true. but i agree with u for other reasons that brom cant be eragons dad marksman
August 6th, 2008 at 8:14 pmalso that was really confusing the way you contridicted yourself, do you or dont you think brom is eragons dad?
August 6th, 2008 at 8:16 pmno offence mr marksmen44… but i would advise you get yourself mentally evaluated before engaging in further discussion… jkz but u do kinda scare me as for the murtagh thing i agree with travalino and everyone who has said this before that he said what he believes to be true whether it is or not has yet to be reveald
August 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pmhey no prob MR. smart guy i cinda did not think my posts through befor i whort them and i got kinda lost in what i said my self but i will think things through more cefuly and i under stand y u worte no offence mr marksmen44… but i would advise you get yourself mentally evaluated before engaging in further discussion i made no sence at all thinks for pointing that out
August 7th, 2008 at 12:01 amo w8… marksman44 are you pasting something that someone said in your message and then adding comment to it later? cuz if you are then that makes alot of sense… and i know this has been discussed earlier but i want 2 know marksman’s ideas about roran becoming king in the future
August 7th, 2008 at 12:03 amoh hey guys sorry about my spelling that is my weak point in high school my best is history and math i am good all others
August 7th, 2008 at 12:04 amtoo smart guy yea i am that is y u guys got confused and i think that it is very very likely actauly i think that he will be the new king because they said that the royal family in palencar vally like carvahall
August 7th, 2008 at 12:12 amhow do u think will be come with child in Berisinger i think it will be arya or Katrena
August 7th, 2008 at 12:15 amWho do u think is in the vision that eragon has in the first book death watch i think it is eather Arya or a person that i just thought of as a canadate is angala what r ur thoughts
August 7th, 2008 at 12:26 amOk i am tierd of people saying that Eragon and Murtag being riders because their father/fathers were riders that has nothing to do with it any one could be a rider the dragon in the egg chooes its rider retards
August 7th, 2008 at 12:38 amhey i just looked at comment 40 and i think that eragon used them becuae when ormis frist contacts him it said that Eragon wispered some words and found that they gave him power
August 7th, 2008 at 12:42 amah marksman, you spew ignorance like diarrhea of the mouth. where the hell did you come from, and why oh why are you filling our lovely discussion page with such nonsense? not to mention ALL of this has been discussed to no end, jesus, maybe you should find another site where ignorant fu*ks like yourself congregate.
i apologize to all your regulars (smartguy, raliah, ophelia) for this post, i know its a waste of space, but it had to be said
August 7th, 2008 at 12:54 amterrapin19 what the heck is ur prob man i just found this site today and have not read all 400 posts so step off fucker
August 7th, 2008 at 1:03 amoh u other ppl sorry bout that post but who do u think will be with child
August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 amhey terrapin19 how meny times have u read both books i have read both 15 20 times or more
August 7th, 2008 at 1:10 amoh hey terrapin19 for all i care u can go fuck your self bitch and if u ever say any thing like that i will be forsed to do some thing rash
ps to all other i am just defneding my self
August 7th, 2008 at 1:21 amallright, marksmen, i’ll deign to respond; firstly, you think and write like a child, my wager is you’re not a day over 14, and you sure are brave behind your anonymous “Marksmen44″, which in itself shows your ignorance of the english language…unless you’re more than one person, in which case it’s possible i’m wrong about your age, you’re more than one child.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:30 amsecondly, i and a few others use this site daily, we have mature discussions without the ridiculous filling of space that you have shown in such a short period of time.
thirdly, if you have read both books so many times, as you claim, one would think you would have a better grasp on the facts.
and finally, my problem at the moment is that i just accidentally deleted over 14 hours of hard work, that i have to have in order to pay for things like my mortgage, my food, my wife’s medical bills…you know kid stuff like that. And on top of all that, I have to read through your nonsensical ravings about things that have already been beaten to death in conversation on this site, on of the few places i have to sit and think about things that allow my mind to relax after all day of working and living and raising a family. I came here because I’ve read eragon and eldest quite a few times (not that it matters, but i’m sure more times than yourself) and i think the people i usually converse with here have good ideas, and we are trying to work things out.
I may be ten years older than anyone here, but i count them my friends all the same. Maybe you dont know what friends are, if your posts represent the way you talk to people face to face, but i enjoy talking to mine without idiots like you barging in on the conversation without any point of reference other than whatever the hamster on the wheel in your head is smoking.
you sure are brave nameless one.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:31 ami see it took you 11 whole minutes to come up with that brilliant coment #412, I really can’t wait to read what other nonsense you can cook up. really, the suspense is killing me.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:34 amI’m afraid, however, it’ll be tomorrow by the time you read my post #413 (which was written before i read #412)
still waiting
August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 amby measuring the length of my post, and comparing that with the lengths of eragon and eldest then multiplying the time it’s taking you to read by the previous factor, I estimate it would take you 5 hours a day, every day for 16 years to read eldest and eragon 15 times….i dont even think you’re that old
August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 amman, i think, and i kind of hope, you’re going to be pissed when you refresh your page, hahahahaha.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 amin a way, i hope you dont run off marksmen44, i did at first, but really, i enjoy poking fun at you.
but, then again, that would just cheapen all my previous arguments.
geez man, have to get the dictionary out, go ask your mom what ‘nonsensical’ means…? I really tried to use the simplest language i could without resorting to your foul variety, i knew it was going to be alot for one as untested as yourself to chew on. guess i’ll check back tomorrow.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 amI am 16 and the reason i use Marksmen44 because next year i am going to sign up to be a Marine corp sniper/marksmen
August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 amdude, every minute that ticks by is like 4 more months it would have taken you to read the books 15 times
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 amis that a weak little threat?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 ammarksmen is plural
August 7th, 2008 at 1:57 ami hope your eyesight is better than your use of language
August 7th, 2008 at 1:58 amhey sorry i was just offended and mad but how old are u and ur wifes med bills is she sick
August 7th, 2008 at 1:59 ami read eragon in 3 days and eldest in 2 i am 16 and i read the 7th harry potter in 1 1/2 days i love reading big book that is one thing cp and i have in comen oh and i have been home schooled that is y my spelling sucks my mom is not that learned and my dad has to work to feed us
August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 amactualy i have 20/20 vision and no it was not a threat i want to be sniper or play baseball
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 amhey man i did not know u erased 14 hours of work
August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 amps i can read about 100 pages in 30 mineuts
hey guys, sorry about butting in seeing as how i only discovered this site about four days ago, but cant you guys just make nice and we can get back to speculating?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 ami agree with Travalino i will be nice if terrapin19 is nice i would like to be friends with him even though he insulted me i forgive him and say sorry if i offended him but don’t take out ur problums on me i only said what i said in defence
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 amterrapin19 can we be I friends
August 7th, 2008 at 2:27 ami dont know if hes on right now marksmen, guess youll have to wait
August 7th, 2008 at 2:37 amhey i under stand he is under a lot of stress
August 7th, 2008 at 2:39 ambut in my deffence he insaulded me first but once i found out the he was under a lot of stress i under stode y he insaulted me he had a place were he could just talk and he had seen the topics i brought up 100’s of tiems and i know what it is like to have a lot of stress because i have a crap load of homework and i play baseball but if i don’t get my school done i can’t play ball but i can work all the time i need some me time and i don’t like it when people ruin my me time or my dowm time
August 7th, 2008 at 2:46 ambut idose any one have any new theirys about brisinger i think that eragon will open the vault of souls and get the souls of all the past eragons that is just a thought comments
August 7th, 2008 at 2:49 amlol, i understand… this should be somthing to do thats fun, but i think that its been done to death by now, from what ive read everything has been covered from who will die down to if snowfire will be the next rider (though that was a joke). I think its time to bury the subject and just wait for the month to be over and the book to come out. then we could all come back and talk about the fourth book and how some of us were right about the third.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:52 amgood idea but what do u think about that. seeing as we are both farly new to this site
August 7th, 2008 at 2:54 amWow, ok didn’t expect this when i came back on today
August 7th, 2008 at 3:00 amFirstly, Terrapin i really feel for you loosing all that work. As an author i know how frustrating it can be to loose your writing that you’ve spent so much time on (fu!k i lost about five pages last week and i felt like smashing the computer to pieces even then) ANd i hope you’re wife gets beta 2.
P.S just coz you may be a bit older, so what we can still be mates. The whole point of the site is to discuss the book and in a sense get along, not try to shame someone out coz of whatever reason right?
As for you Marksmen, i gotta hand it to you, not the best start to a new site. Not trying to like, stick in or anything but if you guys can get along then it should be all good.
well, i have a thought of the vault of souls being where shades get thier power seeing as how paolini said that we would learn more about the souls that a shade conjures. It could also be where the dead riders reside after they die, i like that theory is better because since i think that oromis is the one that dies, eragon will need a new teacher and who better to do that than the first eragon himself. i also think that it is in the elves true land, the one they left, because when eragon mentioned it to araya, she said that she recognized it like a whispered word from a dream, so it could just be from very old elven songs or even from her insticts, like what dragons have.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:03 amhey i was deffending my self he attaked me he made the frist comment but i am willing to get along if he is i mean look at some of the things he said he took some of his anger about losing a lot of work but he dose not have to take it out on me
August 7th, 2008 at 3:06 amsorry bout the crappy spelling in the middle, my fingers were moving before i thought about what i was saying
August 7th, 2008 at 3:08 amhey it happens
August 7th, 2008 at 3:11 amOk, Ok Marksmen, no need to like, bite my head off.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:13 amBut ill tell you what when you loose your work-then you judge. And by the way, Terrapin was here first so cool it-or you’ll piss me off to. We’re here to talk over the book not get down each other’s throats.
hey reliah, terrapin is a writer, thats awesome! im an aspiring writer myself, in fact eragon inspired me, along with a few choice books.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:15 amand that is one way to look at it but i don’t think that it is out of alagsea because he would need that power to deffeat murtag and galby but every one is intitled to their own openions
August 7th, 2008 at 3:15 amwhere do you think it is, ive heard so many theories on the subject, most think its in urgal territory though (whereever that is)
August 7th, 2008 at 3:18 amif i could spell better then i would want to be a writer but as i can’t spell i want to be a sniper or a baseball player hence the name Marksmen44 i use that name because i wante to be a markeman and 44 is me lucky number a fav number
August 7th, 2008 at 3:18 amDude his true name is firesword, the Urgal calls him that, and when the second time he says brisingr(not using magic)He feels a tingle. I just think it’s obvious.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:18 amthat could be it jake, but i think it should have more concerning hid destiny and personality, but i do think brisingr is part of it
August 7th, 2008 at 3:21 amMabey but the Urgal did not gain con tontrol over Eragon but u just might be right
August 7th, 2008 at 3:21 amHey Travalino, good on you thats awesome. Writing books is really rewarding. Though i’m still what you’d call ‘young’ in the world of authors, I’ve got one up ad going already. And i agree, CP goes really in depth with his work. A great author, who has earned his respect from me. So if he has inspired you all the better.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:22 amJake i agree with Jake but u might be on to somthing there
August 7th, 2008 at 3:24 amu write too, thats cool, whats one of your books about if you dont mind me asking? oh and marksmen, the urgal wouldnt control eragon even if his name was firesword because he didnt use the antient language.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:25 amTravalino that is true diden’t think of that but ur right thanks
August 7th, 2008 at 3:27 amno problem
August 7th, 2008 at 3:29 amLol, if you want me to go into my writing then expect an essay. I’m really passionate about what i do and am working on a series right now. I’ll just say this-the genre is adventure mixed with a little fantasy.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:30 amAs for the whole Firesword thing (beaten to the ground by the regulars already) it could just be an ordinary name taken by the urgals. After all they’re pretty thick and they saw his sword light up when he killed Durza. Then again it could be something more. Personal views.
Raliah i agree more with u about the Firesword thing then any becuase they would say that they call him that because he had a firey sword when he struck Durza but u are also right to say then again it could be something more
August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 amyeah i read about that on the other chat room that has like 1000 comments, anywho, thats great your writing a series, i am too, but ive had writers block for the past year, lol, mostly because ive been working on my drawing more intensely since im going into art college in oct.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 amhey what time is it for all u guys
August 7th, 2008 at 3:37 am12:34 for me
August 7th, 2008 at 3:38 amwere are u it is 12:42
August 7th, 2008 at 3:41 amReal? Art college? That sounds really great (i can’t draw for sh!t lol) Still, hoping to get into something for acting or dancing myself. Writing is my passion, but now it’s become a hobby. And i hate writers block. But i live in a really beautiful country so i can work past mine. So if your going to college then your what 17…18?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:41 amAnd Marksmen i agree, it could be something more than just that. But then again they called Durza something similar. I think that they’re to dumb to link it all together. I think that Eragon will find out his true name another way. But Brisingr is important to him, that’s clear enough.
18, and im in southern california marksmen, its 12:40am for me, so bored cant sleep, go online, lol
August 7th, 2008 at 3:44 amdose any one know how to say sword in the ANCIENT LANGUAGE
August 7th, 2008 at 3:44 ambecause it might be Brisinger + sword in the ANCIENT LANGUAGE
August 7th, 2008 at 3:45 amsverdar is swords (plural)
August 7th, 2008 at 3:49 ambut i think we already said that it wasnt firesword
August 7th, 2008 at 3:50 amyea in english but look at it this way Brisingersverdar but it is just a thought
August 7th, 2008 at 3:51 amI can’t believe im talking to people in America!!!!!
August 7th, 2008 at 3:52 amSorry it kinda gives me a buzz to know that coz i’m an NZ girl myself. For me it’s nearly dark at the moment. Still early…about 6:30.
But Marksmen i’m loosing track…you think Eragon’s name is actually Firesword in the ancient language?
lol, okay
August 7th, 2008 at 3:53 amno it is just a theriy. are u in germany
August 7th, 2008 at 3:53 amyeah, hes still on that. your in new zeland? or is that another NZ, the world knows that americans suck at geography lol
August 7th, 2008 at 3:55 amsadly americans do suck at geography
August 7th, 2008 at 3:56 amme, no, california, usa, comment #463
August 7th, 2008 at 3:57 amTravalino I live in so cal to what city me mo val
August 7th, 2008 at 3:59 amTravalino i was talking to Raliah
August 7th, 2008 at 4:01 amYou don’t know where NZ is?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:01 am(way to make me feel small!)
But yeah it is New Zealand.
(think the place where they filmed Lord of the Rings, as i told the others)
Haha, Germany? WTF?
I know it really doesn’t have much to do with the books but i can’t think of much else to say.
city me mo val???? what does that mean?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:02 amnew zealand!! yeah i guessed it!!!! wooo, score.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:04 amit is midnight i am sleepy but can’t sleep i have a suger rush so i can’t think strate and i love Lotr just as much as Eragon they are my top 2 fave books
August 7th, 2008 at 4:05 amhey, how many languages do you think eragon is written in?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:09 amall
August 7th, 2008 at 4:11 amK then Travalino, good for you.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:11 amRight, sorry guys, i gotta go. Stuff to do, people to see lol.
See you 2morow yeah?
P.S as for the rest of the regulars, don’t hate me for filling up so much space but usually you aren’t on this late and it’s cool to have people who are actually on around this time.
L8a
How many do think it is in
August 7th, 2008 at 4:12 amyeah im going too. idk if ill be on again, i kinda find this pointless now because there are too many theories and not enouph answers. im just waiting till sept.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:14 amgood idea me too l8er
August 7th, 2008 at 4:15 amwow… that was unexpected… how much of a problem do you guys think the urgals will cause? obviously the varden win at the end of book 4 but nasuada promised them land, and most people will be pretty pissed about that… maybe they get dibs on surda? and remember at the end of eldest where it says galbo’s army had retreated, no doubt to regroup and plan a second attack? how will that fall out in brisingr because eragon’s ra’zac hunting already in chapter 3
August 7th, 2008 at 10:40 amps travalino and marksmen44 dont go, we need u… and raliah, ur a girl?…sry i just wasnt expecting that… izzat ur real name? and is anyone else here from canada?
August 7th, 2008 at 10:42 amalso, who do you guys think will replace hrothgar? orik is a definate possibility, but what if it was the head of az sweldin rak anhuin?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pmok, im back, lol, just too bored to do anything else really, but orik does sound like a good choice, but whenever i hear about the clan’s chiefs, they always seem to want to argue about everything so it could really be anyone depending on who the clans can actualy agree with.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pmI am back too and i think that either Orik or Eragon because he is hrothgar’s Foster son so he is a dwarf thgough hrothgar adopting Eragon but Orik is more likly to be the next dwarf king
August 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pmhey guys Eragon could thoriticly be the next leader of the Varden or dwarfs
August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pmhaving eragon being tied down to be a certain leader would take away from what hes supposed to do, also it would cause too much problems with the dwarf clans to have a human be a dwarf kink, even if he was addopted. plus they never liked eragon in the first place, they only tolerated him because he was their one chance at stopping galbatorix
August 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pmthis also has been talked about a lot on this site
August 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pmhey marksmen, no offense or anything, but maybe u should read everyones comments so that we could talk about somthing new (if there is anything)
August 7th, 2008 at 1:19 pmno offence marksmen but eragon isnt theoretically going to be the next leader of the varden, as at teh end of eldest nasuada appoints says if she dies eragon will lead… so ya… i wonder though, everyone seems to think that the weapon under the menoa tree will be a sword… what if its something else? ex. a scroll with a powerful spell on it or extremely valuable information about something? that could be interpreted as a weapon if used correctly? i know its far-fetched but just a thought
August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pmi think she only said that because they were in the middle of a battle and she couldve died that day. i think she’ll find someone else to susseed her after she leaves the throne because she knows what eragons part is in the battle to stop galbatorix is, and its not to lead. she basically has the same ideals as ajihad had
August 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pmperhaps… but maybe what will happen is that the riders will be underneath all of the rulers? that solves the problem of who will watch the watchers… they would all be second under the king or whomever but for every group… just a thought and that has been suggested by eragons current position
August 7th, 2008 at 3:04 pmsmart guy…ive been saying for a while now the weapon could very well be a spell. remember the scroll oromis gave eragon with a picture of the menoa tree on it? eragon believes it to be the most valuable gift he recieved….just a thought, but i think that would be way more surprising than a sword
August 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pmyea but what i said was just a thought
August 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pmbut then who will watch the ones watching the watchers… see thats why in america theirs a system of checks and balances. the watchers watch the ones watching them and visa versa
August 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pmsry terrapin i forgoted and to travalino the ones watching the watchers of the watchers are the watchees… the ordinary guys would do whatever and get a new ruler… the systems like that have been working 4 a long long time in alagaesia
August 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pmSmart guy i agree with u
August 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pmyeah, but in order for the watchees to have any power they would have to revolt and thats why there’s a varden in the first place.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pmthat doesnt seem to work to me, just saying
August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pmHey every one has their own opainan
August 7th, 2008 at 3:21 pmagain a good point travalino… all im saying is this: take for example the elves. their leadership system seems to have worked smoothly for thousands and thousands of years, because they can be influenced by not nesecarrily the ordinary people but their nobles and junk (as king orrin demonstrated) while there are no doubt problems in that system, they are knowhere near as great as the riders problems, which would be eliminated
August 7th, 2008 at 3:22 pmyeah, ok, but i think the elves are made of smarter stuff than humans can ever hope to acuire because they grow to be so old. their wisdom is what makes them superior leaders.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pmprobly ya, but still, in my opinion whether or not the leadership was perfect or not is of little consequence, as the riders would help to change that (maybe) the only reason why i said that was because it would get rid of the riders problem… and flaws within the leadership would already exist, thats just wut im sayin
August 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pmalright, i get it. sorry it took a while to write back, had to drive my bro to his friends
August 7th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
and yet (i quote arya for this) understanding does not imply belief… 
August 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pmthat is quite correct, lol. i just heard the most stupid rumor on this site ever. that garrow was the first spy who retrieved saphiras egg, but didnt give it to the varden, so lame.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pmwow thats terrible… and there were rumors that the theif got 2 eggs and 1 hatched for them… terrible thing is murtagh said galbatorix still has 1 egg after thorn hatched…
August 7th, 2008 at 5:39 pmits amazing how people come up with this stuff.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:42 pmWhat the…? Of course i’m a girl Smart Guy! Remember i said that i think Murtagh was hot in the movie (lol). And yeah, Raliah is my real name. Part of it.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:47 pmI’m confused about what you guys mean about the watchers and the wathched. But about Eragon being the new dwarf king i cant see the others accepting it. It said that Hrothgar had to argue with the other dwarfs for a day and a night before they would agree just to adopt him. And Eragon needs to be free to do his duties.
By the way who said Garrow was an agent for the Varden?
thats exactly what i said, and that thing about garrow was made by someone in the brisingr chatroom link up at the beginning. and that whole watchers watchmen thing was just about the polotics of alegasia, nice to have you on again raliah
August 7th, 2008 at 11:53 pmraliah, smart guy, are you on facebook?
August 8th, 2008 at 12:44 amSorry, back now.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:47 amWhat is facebook Terrapin?
its like myspace but for older people
August 8th, 2008 at 12:52 amK, then no i’m not. Sorry, i display my ignorance for computers. I only found this site by chance as it was.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:54 amlol, me too, i was trying to order the book and i stumbled in.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:59 amI have to wait for the book here because i think it doesn’t release until a few weeks later. So after it does come out and you all read it i won’t be on for a while until i’ve gone over my own copy coz i don’t want anything to be spoiled.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:07 amJust a thought, will this site close down after September the 21st coz that the day it’s released in the USA?
you all should join, it’s free, and its a great way to make friends…
August 8th, 2008 at 1:07 ambtw sorry about all that ranting last night, let my temper get the best of me
i dont think the site is closing down, dont know why it would.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:09 amit’s possible raliah, that i might be able to send you a copy overnight when it comes out here. the book is only 16US, and im not sure about shipping,but we can work something out
Lol, don’t worry we all need a good rant now and again.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:14 amIf i had lost that much of my work i think i would have had a bigger rant than that believe me!
yeah, i mean it could be open so that people can talk about how they were right or wrong and rub it in peoples faces. it could also stay open for more theories about the fourth book.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:14 amI hope the site won’t close down either but i thought that it might because there would be a new one for the fourth book when it comes out. Still ,if it doesn’t i’ll stay.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:18 amAs for sending me the book that would be awesome Terrapin, thank you so much for the offer but im going to see if i can order it somehow from here. Thanks again though.
P.S sorry my comments are taking so long, im kinda distracted
sry about that raliah… i guess i thought you were gay or something (jkz) and i do have facebook terrapin… what do you guys think is in murtaghs future? i personally think that he will defect to the good side for nasuada after eragon frees him, then die fighting galbatorix, although i hope not
August 8th, 2008 at 10:59 amps. raliah i wont put any spoilers on here if you dont get it @ the same time and it doesnt close down… other guyz should do the same…
August 8th, 2008 at 11:01 amhey all im new to this site cuz i like just found it. and i have one thoery. i read something about there being a new and powerful enemy. What if it is the dwarf clan that did the thing with the hair and the ring that means like a fued till they all die or something like that. but they could be a serious problem for eragon. and for him becoming the dwarf king???? r u guys serius????? if one clan hates him so much then he could never be the king of them. he would get like assasinated.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pmthe problem with that theory is that i believe the new and powerful enemy laughed alot and not in a good way,,, those dwarves are to busy crying about some chick who died hundreds of years ago to laugh… tho it is still a possibility
August 8th, 2008 at 3:33 pmi am still however interested to find out how az sweldin rak anhuin will affect eragon
August 8th, 2008 at 6:10 pmDon’t worry, it’s k.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:18 pmI know that the rest of you will be dying to talk about the new book (and so will i as soon as i get my copy)
I think i’ve found a way to order it so i won’t be off long anyway.
Um Smart Guy just a quick question…
Why did you think i was a guy in the first place? lol’
But when i think about Murtagh’s future i have a feeling that somehow he isn’t going to live which is kind of dissapointing. I agree with you though, i think it will have something to do with Nasuada and eventually Galbatorix. Exactly HOW he dies though is still uncertain.
yep… um i dunno i guess i just assumed… and wut time is it 4 u?…. poor murtagh
August 8th, 2008 at 6:25 pmThe time for me at the moment is around nine in thirty in the morning. Yeah, i know i wish Murtagh wouldn’t die.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:30 pmY, wat the time for you?
August 8th, 2008 at 6:33 pmAlong the lines of those strange dwarfs, i don’t think CP would put them in there for no reason. Perhaps they are going to try and influence the other clans that Eragon is bringing more bad than good. Most of them are already against him and it could create alot of problems for Saphira and Eragon.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:36 pmThere are things that I observed when I was listening to the book:
1. There is a connection between Mortagh and Nasuada. After all she visits him when he is being held by the varden in the first book. She said he was interesting and he was very pleased with her.
2. Nasuada hates magicians and plans on (what it sounds like) doing away with them after Galbatorix is eliminated. She mentions it when she orders trianna to make silk with magic. Nasuada doesn’t like the fact that magicians can invade your mind and kill with words. I think she has other intentions that will be revealled later.
I didn’t see any of these ideas in alot of the comments that I read. Because I am a bad predictionist, maybe you guys can create some great ideas like the ones I have been reading.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:46 pmto raliah my time is the same as it shows… and to planat your first observation HAS been pointed out, quite recently too i beleive… but i did forget about your second one… i doubt nasuada is the type to pull a galbatorix and destroy all magicians… i think that we will see a very unexpected solution to that problem… tho i cant for the life of me guess what it could be
August 8th, 2008 at 10:07 pmactually the more i think about it the least likely it seems… nasuada was the one who tolerated the urgals when everyone else hated them… a very interesting point you have raised
August 8th, 2008 at 10:09 pmo btw i know its kinda delayed but hi 5 for that rant terrapin… simply splendid (no offence marksmen)
August 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pmhey wut do you guys (and girl) think about this: what if green dragon hatches in brisingr? i know it seems unlikely due to the cover being glaedr… but this would give rider person a chance to be tutored… and sense they are presumably an elf (tho not definatly) oromis wouldnt have to spend as much time teaching them, and could get further than with eragon…just a though.
August 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pmand (again a bit delayed… well alot but whatever) i think that there is more to teh menoa tree story… the song saying menoa’s scion… arya’s story about the elf linnea and the guy, why the tree is called the menoa tree not the linnea tree… i just dunno… hope you all can understand that random jumble of ideas!
August 8th, 2008 at 10:54 pmmaybe menoa was their child or something
August 8th, 2008 at 10:56 pmi think u might have somthing there, that may be the real reason why shes reluctant to get it on with eragon.
August 8th, 2008 at 11:29 pmum… wut?
August 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pmi mustve misunderstood u, i thought u were saying that maybe the girl who turned into the menoa tree was arayas child that she had with that one guy elf. i guess i was just reading it wrong or somthing, sorry.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:04 amhence, what i stated above
August 9th, 2008 at 12:05 amo god no, i meant linneas child, and why it is so important with the dragon thingy (agaeti blothren)
August 9th, 2008 at 12:18 amoh, sorry again, man i was way off lol
August 9th, 2008 at 12:22 amyes, you were. sry i take so long, my computer takes forever g2g anywayz c ya!
August 9th, 2008 at 12:39 amdoes anyone watch southpark? cuz im about to pull a cartman and freeze myself untill sept. 21st. i am sick of waiting, its driving me crazy.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:42 amthey shouldnt even give a release date until the day before anything comes out, that way we can all just be in blissful ignorance.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:44 amI agree Smart Guy, i think that perhaps the green dragon egg does hatch in Brisingr. This kinda makes sense for me coz if it did hatch in book three it would have time to grow up for the final fight or whatever in book four. Then they could be free to use Glaedr on book three’s cover as a sort of memorial (i personally think that book three is going to be his last coz of the illness)
August 9th, 2008 at 12:48 amhello everyone, interesting so far…honestly, i’m stymied as to what’s new to talk about.
The truth is, i think we’ve covered just about everything up to this point. I did see, however, an interesting comment above, concerning something i came across today: Nasuada thinks to herself that she “can’t risk alienating magic users until after Galbo is defeated”
I know it’s a small thing, and might not mean anything, but it’s interesting all the same, that she would even think about alienating them in t first place.
Also, now i think about it, Az Sweldin Rak Whatever-they-are-called, you’re right, CP definitely pu them in there for a reason, wonder what it could be…
anyway, tell me what you think, and btw, my real name is ANDREW HOLLAND, and i live in HUNTSVILLE, AL…anyone on facebook can find me, send me a friend request, and we can chat real-time without all this refresh the page nonsense, not to mention idiots like…well, i won’t mention his name…you all know who i mean. right, later cats, i’ll catch you all tomorrow.
p.s. to smart guy, and marksmen if youre reading, my little written ass whipping the other night really made me feel better, i don’t think i’ve laughed that hard in a long time, so marksmen if you’re there, don’t feel completely useless. you did after all make my night alot more bearable.
p.s.s. raliah, it wasn’t writing i lost (however i am a writer and editor) it was a design, a very complicated and specific landscape design for a prestigious client, it equates to around $2000US worth of work that i have to do all over, so maybe that will help everyone understand the venom in my posts. allright, later for real this time -andy
August 9th, 2008 at 3:20 ammaybe saphira will do something huge that will change the minds of the dwarves… or maybe a dwarf rider, as unlikely as it seems i know it is practically impossible but it would make things alot easier…
August 9th, 2008 at 9:53 amps. terrapin im gonna add u on facebook
pps. its pps. not pss, because ps stands for post script so its post post script not post script scrip! and now we know, and knowings half the battle!
ppps. terrapin your not a creeper right?
August 9th, 2008 at 9:58 ampppps terrapin i cant find you you have hundreds of people that share your name… nicholas werry oshawa ontario, add me
August 9th, 2008 at 10:05 amim still wondering about the connection between menoa and the dragons… maybe the dude was a dragon rider? or linnea gave birth 2 eragon #1?
August 9th, 2008 at 11:54 amhey guys sorry its been a while, i was on vacation. i still need to read all these comments. but i can see that most of the theories have been talked about over and over again and its all repetitive.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pmbut smart guy, i dont really know how linnea would give birth to Eragon 1…? i know she had that little fling with some guy because thats why she sung herself into the tree. but to become pregnant by him and not know it and then sing herself into the tree… is it possible for a tree to give birth? its not seeming to likely, but it was a good thought.
ok sry sry, i meant that after the child… but now that i think about it she would still have fullness of life caring for a child… so that theory fails… thanks for your insight!
August 9th, 2008 at 1:02 pmas for the dwarf people who threw the ring at Eragon: i almost forgot about them. it would make sense if they played some kinda part, otherwise they wouldn’t have been mentioned. what that part is though, im at a loss.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:03 pmand by the way, i live in Ephrata, Pennsylvania in the USA. Raliah, its sweet that you live in New Zealand, thats where my dad has always wanted to travel too.
haha of course, smart guy. its good that youre trying to think of new things… everything has been talked about over and over and over again.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pmyep… so do you have any ideas about the menoa-dragon connection?
August 9th, 2008 at 1:11 pmwell theres the point that the dragons gave Eragon the elves strength around the tree. im not sure about what else the dragons could give him. Oromis gave him logic.. but theres wisdom? more information about… whatever he needs to know about? the dragons are pretty smart and know more than they say. so maybe they could tell him something he never thought of before? im not to sure.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:17 pmgood ideas but i was referring to WHY the menoa tree is so important with the dragons… what connections etc. exist(ed)
August 9th, 2008 at 1:25 pmohhhh okay okay. got it.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pmcould the man linnea was with for a while have been a rider? Morzan maybe? page 307 of Eldest, when Arya is telling the story, said “but the young man was young…” it would kinda make sense if the other women he left her for was Selena. (i know its kinda out there, but whatever) and then Morzans dragon told him it was wrong or something. it would tie them together, but idk.
i already suggested that it was a rider but morzan… very interesting the only problem i have with that is the timing… arya said that they observe agaeti blorthren in the shade of the menoa tree… i think that the menoa tree is much older than morzan
August 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pmoh thats true. and now that you mention it, yeah i remember that being said before.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pminstead of giving birth to the first Eragon, could the man have BEEN the first Eragon? yeah its said that none of the riders have had wives, but if Morzan could hide it, im sure he would have been able too.
where did it say riders didnt have wives? they definatly engaged in relationships, as eragon recalled the few human-elf relationships were human riders and elfs.. so it wasnt forbidden
August 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pmummm… idk if its in book one or book two, but it does say somewhere about how it was ill advised or something that riders take wives. im sure they did have relationships though. it doesnt really matter, though, Eragon 1 probably could have hidden it.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pmbook 2… he was talking about human-elf relationships, not rider-elf relationships.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pmprobly
August 9th, 2008 at 2:07 pmHi. I’m relatively new to the site, but i’ve spent the last few days reading over all the comments and there are a few things that i’m unconvinced about.
1. If Brom is not Eragon’s father, what does the riddle from Blagden mean?
2. Why is Gleadr on the front cover? After revealing that someone was going to die, it seems too obvious for it to be them.
3. Why will the last dragon be a boy? If it is a girl, and hatches for Galbo then he wouldn’t need Eragon and Sapphira anymore
It’s good to hear all of your ideas and also to know that there are others who like the series as much as i do.
August 9th, 2008 at 2:07 pmheres my other question. dont really know if its too important or not, just a little side thing. was Eragons mother really the same Selena that Angela cast her fortune for? if not then Eragon was told his future for no reason and he just put all those thoughts on his mind for nothing.
August 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pmthe last dragon is definatly male because murty said so and eragons would still need his future told because angela wouldnt have told his mommy his sons fortune, the purpose of the fortune telling was not really for eragon, it was to keep us interested in what will come. make us want 2 read on into the next book
August 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pmright on smart guy i think youve got it with the fortune telling…btw, i think i found you on facebook…red hair? its that or a pro wrestler
August 9th, 2008 at 8:41 pmdoes anyone else think that elva has fulfilled her part in the story already, i mean, eragon is going to get rid of his curse now so she will really have no special gifts to help the varden with anymore. all she’ll be now is a little girl with the dragons mark (cant spell gewd eye insignia without getting up, too lazy lol)
August 10th, 2008 at 1:17 ami only say this because of the theories of her becoming a rider. it might be possible, but she’s still a little girl… yes i know she can grow by willing it, but im still skeptical.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:19 amand to all of those “regulars” who r going to get mad at me for bringing this up again, calm down, i said somthing different about it than the others who have talked about it.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:22 amtravelino, you worthless piece of…haha just joking
August 10th, 2008 at 1:51 amlol, i was just covering my ass from another marksmen incident
August 10th, 2008 at 2:04 amI think that we’ve all covered most of what can be found so far anyway Travilino. Even though it is totally frustrating, going over things again can help us pick up on stuff previously missed. New views from new people and all that sort of thing.
August 10th, 2008 at 2:28 amyup and finally somones on, soooo bored, just watchin olympics
August 10th, 2008 at 2:32 amwhat if eragon and snowfire go on to win the gold in the 400m, or oh i dont know it’s 2am, and i think time for bed so ill be back manana
August 10th, 2008 at 3:04 amthis is a really cool site!! u guys have alot of good ideas!!
August 10th, 2008 at 3:07 amdoes ny 1 think murtagh will survive or will he die?? i like him hes cool!!
August 10th, 2008 at 3:10 amnways….how would the dragons reproduce(have sex) if they dont have the “equipment” cuz when saphira hatches eragon checks if its a boy or a girl but theres no way to tell!!! same with glaedr…. i guess they use magic?!
August 10th, 2008 at 3:13 amthey have to do somthing, otherwise thered be no dragions and most of us think it will be oromis and/or gladeor that dies
August 10th, 2008 at 3:16 amit makes the most sence, though how they will die is still under debate.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:25 ambut didnt CP say some1 unepected would die?
August 10th, 2008 at 3:42 ami think that their “equipment” is just hidden… you know it only becomes visible when its “needed”… you know how we all think that roro has the blood of kings that runs thick in carvahall? remember how oromis said that palancars family politics consisted of assasination, betrayal, etc.? i think that it is not roro, but sloan and katrina who have royal blood… and that way if arya doesnt work out then eragon has katrina as a safety net, and maybe roran is the one who dies…? though he will probly become king.,, just some thoughts… im gonna be gone 4 a week so dont bother talking 2 mez
August 10th, 2008 at 10:04 amthats a good i dea about the equipment thing!! lol
August 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pmnways….i dont think that eragon will like katrina cuz then he nd roran will be enemies nd even if roran died i doubt katrina would go out with eragon cuz she would be too traunatized or something!!!
i just cant see katrina and eragon together. even if roran dies. theres just too much love goin on with roran and her. and CP said someone unexpected would be the last rider, not who will die.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:33 pmeveryone i have a question. I felt kinda nerdy today because i went to books a million to preorder my copy of brisngr and this old lady started to talk to me about how much she cant wait till the book comes out and then she was like i hope they dont F&*( up another movie. this woman was like 80 and i was like holy shit. and i was like yeah i cant wait and i hope the dont mess another one up to. Is that nerdy??? and old ladys scare me now.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pmlolz good for u… i know my ideas were unlikely im just stating that they are a possiblility, especially with what sloan has shown us… maybe katrina becomes queen and roran is king because hes humping royalty… nvm bout what i said earlier ill be here
August 10th, 2008 at 3:42 pmsay, how much does brisingr cost in stores? im in canada so it’ll probly be a bit different…
August 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pmalso i think the old lady was just trying to make innocent conversation to make her day slightly less boring and help pass the time… though she could be a rapist trying to gain your confidence before taking you home and showing you her “special dragon equipment” lol
August 10th, 2008 at 5:18 pmWhat is it with you people and rapists!!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 7:05 pmmany things, none of which can be explained in a single conversation… lolz terrapin & i were talking about who the blind beggar could be… and im ashamed to admit that i, that right, me, good old smart guy, came up with the terrible theory that brom is not eragons father. yes you read me correctly, brom is not the father, but instead, it was the mysterious blind beggar who sired our beloved protaganist. what proof do you have of this, you ask? to which i reply, my head hung low, the meager words of blagden, the bewitched fowl. father and son, both blind as bats! claimed the poor creature, and from those less than eloquent words i seized a theory so outlandish that it was imported first class from beijing. i focused my imaginative energies on one word, blind. my mind instantly reliving the epic scene in which brave angela recited those of whom she had granted the honor of a telling of the future: noble selena, a blind beggar, and now dear eragon. i mentally increased my attentions on the fourth word of that fated sentance, blind. a coincidence? i thought not. could not it be that the very beggar mentioned by the wise angela is identical to the blind as bat father spoken of by blagden the fated one? take what you will of my theory, and consider it as you would a large moist steak……. o god that was fun! i know, i know, ive had some pretty revolutionary theories lately but hey, were running out! i dont even believe most of them, brom is obviously eragons daddy… yippee! omg! think about this: brom and morzan were both around 110 years old… so either one would have been banging on selena’s perverbial drum at around age 100 i just barfed in my mouth
August 10th, 2008 at 8:29 pmgood idea smart guy totally a blind begger
August 10th, 2008 at 8:46 pmbut that last thing has made me barf 2
Omg-i never considered that. Eewwwwwwwwwww…that’s so wrong!
August 10th, 2008 at 8:49 pmI like the idea about the old blind man being his father though. It fits in with the riddle. But do you think she meant blind as in, their eyes don’t work or blind as in they are blind to certain things?
(if that makes sense)
As for whose ‘banging’ whose drum can we go off that subject.
(the whole 100 years old thing is making me feel sick)
what’s wrong raliah…? 100 year old ladies are exactly what i’m after
August 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pmDoes your wife know that you harbor this secret little passion then?
August 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pmshe’s 106
August 11th, 2008 at 12:04 amHey, whatever floats your boat.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:44 amwell, she will be 106 in about 83 years
August 11th, 2008 at 1:24 amUh-huh, sure.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:24 amWhat do you guys think the title for the fourth book will be?
i think it will be empire becauase everyone thought that that would be the title of brisingr before he added another… and nvm my nvm i wont be bak till saturday
August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 amo before i go i was re-reading eragon and i just saw how garrow went all weird when he saw the egg (pg17-18) did he know what it was or just entranced by the “stone”?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:47 ammost likely just entranced, i mean, it probably looked cool, and i cant see how garrow would know anything about the egg.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmwell, how COULD he know anything about the eggs? Unless he used to be a dragon rider…ha ha. It’d be kinda hard to hide how much he knew then, dontcha think?
August 11th, 2008 at 4:31 pmIs anyone on? I’m bored.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pmJust to all you out there who said he wasn’t, i truly think that Brom is Eragon’s father. Plus, it would be too much of a Star-Wars-luke-i-am-your-father kind of thing, if he was Morzan’s son. It would suck. Plus, don’t you think that Galby would have found out about Eragon long before he did if he was Morzan’s son? Just saying.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pmInheritance ROX!!! …heh, heh…eh, sorry.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pmi m bored
August 11th, 2008 at 4:36 pmi wish to speak to someone…sigh. why is no one here?
August 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pmTALK TO ME PLEASE!!!
August 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pmIm here.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:34 pmI think Brisingr is the name of eragons sword, because the elf that makes swords didnt swear in the ancient language to not make anymore swords, so she is going to make one for Eragon.
The green dragon is arya’s, unlike eragon fan says, it wouldnt be that hard to hide a new dragon, because the elves hid glaedr and oromis for so many years.
Roran will get katrina back and then she gets pregnant. Then at the end of it all, roran and katrina become king and queen.
The “new” enemy could just be the lethblarka because it would be new to eragon, he hasnt seen them. and we dont know enough about them to know if they laugh or not. other than that i dont know what it could be.
Arya and Eragon never get married. the vision eragon had with two dragons flying overhead, and the two ppl standing there, is murtagh and nasuada, murtagh marries her after galbatorix is defeated.
the character that dies in the next book is Islanzadi, because the killed ajihad ruler of the varden, then they killed hrothgar ruler of the dwarves, and now kill the leader of the elves.
Those are but a few of my ideas for the next book.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pmis anyone one right now…………i want to talk……..im bored out of my mind………..i got nothi else to do.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:59 pmthat’s a very interesting theory about islanzadi being the next one to die…never even considered her. it does make sense, however, since the elves are now marching to war and intend to attack galbo’s northern flank…damn, i think we just figured out another of the clues. Saphira will be the one that gets knocked up, it has to be. that is one loose end that has to be tied or people will be pissed. the only question i have is who’s the daddy?
August 12th, 2008 at 12:58 amwhere are you raliah? it’s the middle of the night here in the states, and no matter what smartguy’s facebook page says, i don’t think he’s a day over 14 judging by his photos so he’s probably in bed already, but i think it’s midday there in good old new zealand. btw, do you play the didjeridoo?
August 12th, 2008 at 1:00 amNo i do not play the didjeridoo! That the Aussie’s.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:07 amBut if Izlanzadi dies then who is going to lead the elves?
I agree it slots in with a dead leaders though.
hey zaber eragon has seen the lethablarka things and brom has told him about them because after they attacekd brom and like killed him they flew away on the letherblarkas so yeah eragon has seen them. and i dont think they can laugh
August 12th, 2008 at 9:21 amholy crap i was just reading a spoiler and it dawned on me. THE ELVES LAUGHED the whole way into ellesmera. the ones guiding eragon and arya and spahhira and the little dwarf dude. maybe one of them is the new enemy.
and what about that tornac guy. murtaghs trainer?? he couldve ben a rider and had already taght murtagh all kinds of stuff so murtagh didnt reall;y need that much training so that could of been part of the reason why murtagh was so strong.
or maybe murtaghs dragon had already hatched before he went on the tirp to the varden with eragon and the reason murtagh went was to try and get the urgals there and show them where it was. so maybe murtaghs was on the kings side all along and the only reason why he wanted to escape out a side valley was so he wouldnt be inprisoned by the varden and so he could get back to the king and thorn and come assist the battle at farthen durh on the kings side. but he couldnt get away and to keep everyone from thinking he was a bad guy he had to stay and help the varden. and he already knew the twins could get him out by setting up something so during that battle there was 3 traitors in the vardens mist
August 12th, 2008 at 9:31 amthats been discussed and abandoned already.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pmbut the whole elf enemy thing seems far too unlikely
August 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pmhave to side with travalino here
August 12th, 2008 at 7:57 pmYour right Eragon!!!! i remember when that happened and brom died and they flew away on them……..my bad. Well i guess that blows that theory out of the water.
Raliah…. if islanzadi dies then arya will take over, cuz shes the only daughter of the queen, and if she dont want it, they said that someone else could take her place.
i think that murtagh was working for galby the whole time, and thorn had already hatched for him, and he was already taught magic, thats how he was so strong when he fought eragon on the burning planes. just a thought.
Thats all i got right now.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:37 pmis there anyone else on, ill give u five minutes to respond then im out of here.
lol, jk. just want to talk thats all.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:43 pmim out
August 12th, 2008 at 8:48 pma new thought, why does eragon have the power of seeing into the future? how does he have this power seeing as how no other magic users besides wherecats and blagden can do it? and, will this play a significant part in the next book, or is it just somthing to keep us interested like what someone said about eragon getting his fortune told.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:43 pmi think that eragon is the strongest rider to ever live bcz he was the only one to discover magic at such n early age nd he is blesed by the dragons nd he learns fast nd hes really good at fighting as well so….also, does ny one have ny thoughts as to the place he will go after he leaves alagaesia 4ever?? the only thing i can think of is the elves’ homeland….Ilirea? or was that Uru’baen b4 galbatorix became king?? nd i dont think this has beem talked abt cuz i didnt see it nywhere wen i read the posts.
p.s. to SMART GUY the book is like 28$ here nd its usually a couple of dollars more in canada.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 amthe elves and the humans sailed from some far off land, so he could go to either place though we’ll probably never read about it, the fourth book will most likely end with his one vision from the first book. maybe paolini will write about his adventures later on in his career…
August 13th, 2008 at 12:25 ami hope he does at least
August 13th, 2008 at 12:26 amIlleria was Uru’Baen before Galbatorix and the foresworn arrived, causing the elves to flee. In Eragon (pg 49) it states that they come from a place called Alalea.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:24 amyup, thats the name, but do u think paolini will write past the part of eragon leaving alagasea?
August 13th, 2008 at 2:44 amIf he does i don’t think he’ll sell it-i wouldn’t if it was mine. I think that yes he’ll write like a short biography of Eragon’s later but only for his own benefit. I think that us fans will just have to, as hard as it will be lol, let it go.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:56 ammmm, oh well, we can just imagine him flying around with saphira, useing his talents to better the races in the other lands, meeting new friends and challenging new enemys…
August 13th, 2008 at 3:06 amI know but it kind of sucks that we won’t get to read about it. Still, some things are best left to the imagination.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:19 amso do u have any kind of answer to my question about why eragon has the gift of seeing into the future, u havent been online when i am for a while. (comment 633)
August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 ami have a thought about the seeing into the future thing travalino. Maybe all the riders and elves could, its just that they didnt want him to know cuz it would interfere with his traininig. Oromis said that there was some magic that even galby didnt know and that it wasnt time for him to learn them either, so maybe that was it. i know its sucks but maybe thats it. just a thought.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:04 ambut if that were true, then brom wouldnt have been surprised when eragon told him about him scrying araya, and if all the riders could do it then they wouldve had some idea of what galbatorix was going to do, they wouldve been able to stop galbatorix from being a rider in the first place. so what makes eragon so special… do u think the first eragon had this power as well, maybe hes channeling somthing from his name?
August 13th, 2008 at 12:40 pmum i thought that other people had visions of the fututer. for some reason i think angelena had one????? and tavelino when did the whole murtagh already being bad thing be discussed. i didnt read it anywhere on this site
August 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pmangela used dragon bones for fortune telling, but she doesnt have visions, and im sorry if that wasnt on the site, u know the link above that says Brisingr? well theres another chatroom like this one accept they are at 1600 comments. so a lot of stuff has already been discussed.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:51 pmOh i didnt think of that travalino thx for reminding me. Maybe there is something in his name.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pmThis is way off subject, but…………..
who likes AC/DC the band? I think they r amazing, but my dad hates them.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:50 pmdude, i think that if anyone even remotely likes rock then at least one of their favoite songs has to be from AC/DC
August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pmtrue dat.
Well i have a question. What do people think were those last words that brom told eragon, do u think it was a blessing?? Thats what i think.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pmI think that CP is not so black hearted that he would cause eragon to fall in love with arya then reveal it as folly, and not let them get married. Cuz i personally love arya, she is the best, and the way CP describes her features is amazing. So it would cause me to break down in tears if arya and eragon didnt get married.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pmI just had another idea, (this fits in with the whole inheritance thing) Listen to this now…. we dont know the name of morzans first dragon, so maybe it was thorn. Just a thought cuz it ties in with the whole inheritance thing.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pmTo Travalino
August 14th, 2008 at 12:42 amCoincidence? I don’t think so. We know that the first time when Eragon saw Arya in his dreams it wasn’t really his doing. She said she was reaching out for something ‘familiar’ in her drugged state and because of that she managed to touch Eragon’s dreams when she was trying to contact Saphira. But when he saw himself on the burning plains that was different because he was seeing the present, not the future. It could have been an aftermath of his transformation i suppose but other than that i don’t know what it means. The only thing im sure of is that there is a missing piece to the puzzle in this area.
A good point though.
(And i probably won’t be on very much in the next few days-i’m out at the farm)
Seya
awesome, a farm? the only farm we have over near me is miles of joshua trees, and thanks for that, i remeber now about araya reaching out, but eragon was dreaming about the burning plains before he transformed, though after his encounter with durza, maybe that had somthing to do with it…
August 14th, 2008 at 12:58 amsorry its been a while, i havent been able to use a computer.
August 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pmi think the idea of an elf enemy would be interesting. Galby never knew where ellesmera was before so if someone betrayed the elves… maybe vanir? its just a thought.
If islanzadi dies, arya might take over since shes the only heir. but for some reason im just not seeing arya accepting the throne. she seems to like being out and about quite a lot.
Does anyone else think that eragon will learn how to do magic without talking? it seemed pretty important to him. i was just wondering.
i think he’ll learn, but its going to be very hard for him, he really doesnt show that much mental strength and stability when it comes to things like that, i mean i really expected him to learn how to fortify his mind by now. hes still really weak on attacking and defending with his mind.
August 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pmThe reason he is so weak is because hes always doubting himself. All through Eragon, hes always second guessing saphiras decision to hatch for him, and even in some of eldest.
August 14th, 2008 at 7:17 pmyeah and also hes been distracted mostly by araya and his whole destiny in the part hes playing in the war, thats gotta be stressful!
August 15th, 2008 at 1:39 amHeres a LONG list of some more spoilers i found
Because most of these details were revealed before the third book was split into two volumes, some of these details may appear in the fourth book instead of the third.
In the Eragon Newsletter of March 2006, Paolini writes near the end that the book is “coming along nicely” and that he has a battle to write.
In March 2005, Christopher Paolini was interviewed by shurtugal.com and he revealed the following information:[8][9]
At the end of Eldest, the Varden still favor Nasuada in terms of leadership, but Paolini has hinted that in the third book, this might change.
Paolini also mentioned that in the third book it will be revealed if Saphira ever finds a mate.
More information about Tornac (Murtagh’s old friend and trainer) will be revealed.
Elva, along with “every other character”, will have an important role to play.
Paolini answered some questions for his fans on his official site in July and August 2006[10] and gave a video interview in December 2006 to promote the movie.[11]
It is unclear how Thorn, Murtagh’s dragon, matured to rival Saphira despite their age difference, but Christopher Paolini has stated that it will be revealed in the coming book.
The nature of the spirits that sorcerers summon will be revealed; already it has been stated that they are not the souls of sentient creatures returned from the afterlife.
According to Eldest, Eragon and Saphira have given their oath to return to the elves for further training as dragon and rider.
In February 2007, Paolini answered an Open Letter of the Czech fan site Alagaesia.net and Eragon1.net. He answered the following questions regarding the third book of the Inheritance Cycle (before it was split into two books):[12]
Information about Brom’s lover (referred to by Angela) will be revealed.
Eragon has yet to acquire the new weapon referred to in the first book, wherein Solembum said, “When the time comes and you need a weapon, look under the roots of the Menoa tree”.
Eragon has yet to visit the Vault of Souls and speak his name, as instructed by Solembum as a continuation of the above command; “Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls”.
More about dwarf culture will be revealed.
Ajihad’s background will be revealed.
More of Arya’s background will be revealed.
In March 2008, a spoiler was released on the cycle’s homepage Alagaësia.com, stating that “In Brisingr, Eragon will meet a god.”[13]
In May 2008, a second spoiler was released saying that, “Eragon will meet a terrifying new enemy; one who likes to laugh a lot, but not in a good way”.[14]
In July 2008, a third and final spoiler was released on Alagaesia.com, stating that “In Brisingr, one of the characters will become pregnant”.
August 15th, 2008 at 9:49 amwell if we are asuming that eragon and a woman are the two in the dream eragon is likly not the father of the baby because they would probebly have the baby with them, unless the woman is still pregnant which i think is unlikely i think the baby will be born in the forth or third book.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:03 pmwell joy, not to be a smartass, but since there’s only four books in the series, it would have to happen in either the fourth or third book yes?
August 16th, 2008 at 2:30 amlol, u may not have tried to be a smart ass, but u definetly had a hard time hiding it
August 16th, 2008 at 4:54 amto terrapin: im 13 but when i got facebook i “wasnt old enough” so i added 10 years 2 myself… i also read that cp had “a chapter on werecats to write”… maybe that makes maud a possiblity to become preggo? saphira’s to busy, so she could wait after finding a mate before being “babyfied”… the idea of the new enemy being an elf… what if it was an elf shade? or do any elves even practice sorcery or is it all eragon-type magic?… and just an epic fact: i live on a farm! woo throw me a party
August 16th, 2008 at 10:02 amhi im bak what does everyone think of vanir(personnally i hate him i think he is an stuck up dousch)
August 16th, 2008 at 10:14 pmhello any1 hello the one time i come on and noones here
August 16th, 2008 at 11:25 pmmaybe he is the laughing enemy… but he didnt laugh 2 much… ya he kinda peeves me, he only liked eragon when he was elfyfied… still i dont know y but i like him 4 the whole letting nature tend 2 his arm at her own pace thing… gawd i had an idea but i 4get what it is
August 17th, 2008 at 10:57 pmThe god Eragon will meet will be not a god, but Helgrind. It is described in the first book about those crazed believers who worshipped Helgrind, and CP could substitute the “god” for Helgrind, in which he will go to Helgrind to fight the Ra’zac.
August 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pmthen why would he use the term meet? unless you are different then the rest of use humans, you cannot meet rocks, you can see them, throw them, fall on them, and, on occasion, talk to them but you cannot meet them
August 18th, 2008 at 1:08 pmI am sorry. It was just a thought. I get crazy thoughts sometimes
August 18th, 2008 at 4:00 pmdont we all
August 18th, 2008 at 5:27 pmhmm, i wonder if thorn and shruikan have the multi-conciousness thing… it would make murtagh even more powerful, and maybe galby if his bond with shruikan is strong enough…
August 18th, 2008 at 5:32 pmWhat if Eragon and Murtaugh fight for possession of the final green egg (near the end of Brisingr) just as Brom and Morzan did?
August 18th, 2008 at 6:11 pmEragon may also encounter Galbatorix and he might be the laughing villian
August 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pmlol sry spelling error villain*
August 18th, 2008 at 6:13 pmAlright i might be way of here but… I think brom is eragons father, The twins found the connection of the mother and assumed that Morzan was his father. Mur’taugh could say that in the anciant language because he belived that to be true. Also in eldest before eragon leaves du weldenvarden for Surda Blagden (that pesky bird) make a prodiction.
‘While two may share two”
“one of the two is certanly one,
one might be two.
My enterpratation…
1st line- While Murt’augh and eragon are brothers, they may share 2 sets of parent( brom and selan and morzan and selana)
2nd line- One of the two is certainly his parents…Selana both of there mothers.
3rd line- This has me confused anyone have a ideas?
Besides it all fits broms dragons name was saphira, soforth he has a blue sword…
In the werecats? prodiction before it says…if in ever need of a weapon(which he is since mur’tagh took zar’rock) he needs to search under the menoa tree. i think he will find Brom’s sword, which is rightfully his since he is his sun!
Well thanks people tell me what you think?
August 18th, 2008 at 9:17 pmI’m think you guys may be taking the weapon in the roots of the menoa tree quote to literally I think that…
1.The “weapon” could be information or magic or something other than a sword, wasnt there an elven blacksmith that talked to Eragon when he had a tour around ellesmera? she may forge a new sword for Eragon.
2. “Roots” can mean mean history and “Tree” could mean family (like in family tree) so maybe it means
the history of the menoa family?
Tylier I think u may be on to something there.
August 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pmI though about thee black smith too but she cant smith him a new sword cause she vowed in the anchaint language no tot after the fall of the riders. =’(
August 18th, 2008 at 9:51 pmAlthough your thoughs on the roots meaning history caused me to rethink the whole wepon thing, i still think its broms sword but instead of under the actually roots he might have to follow the family tree to broms sworddd
August 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pmAlso the reason i say history of the family is because there was the elf woman Linnea (yes it has the accented letters but I dont know how to get those)who commited murder because her lover cheated on her then sang to the oldest tree and became part of it. Maybe it is Linnea’s family history that Eragons needs to look for
August 18th, 2008 at 10:02 pmOh yeah she cant make another sword nvm
August 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pmAlso some random thoughs lol!
1. Most important! if arya and eragon dont end up togeather ima cry my eyes out and flood new york lol
August 18th, 2008 at 10:21 pm2.I have no idea why brisinger is the name of the book. Can someone informe me why the second one was neamed eldest?
3.The vault of souls..has me the most puzzled i fear.
4. I think islanzadi dies, i might cry arya’s mom -.-
5.if orik takes control of the dwarves and arya the elves, is narissa dies( i fear she might) she has chosen eragon as her sucsessor. would that be a coincidance. Eragon ahead of the humans, orik the dwarves and arya the elves lol
have you guys ever considered the fact that the title may not have anything to do with the book? people have said the Chritopher Paloni likes to laugh, and maybye he thinks its funny that everybody thinks that the title must have something to do with the book. Probably not true but i figured i might as well say something. and just becuase riders have always been children in the past doesnt mean they will be now. Personally im supporting the “Angela will be a rider” theroy becuase she isnt a child, doesnt have green eyes, and isnt technically part of the Varden. Christopher Paloni said it would be someone unexpected. Just my 2 cents.
August 19th, 2008 at 10:40 amanother stupid theroy, but how do we know that the person he falls in love with is female. i mean if ayra is his true love and she continually pushes him away, maybye he thinks all females are like that with love and he goes gay. then the possibilties go really far, i know its stupid but that would be so unexpected, and CP has hinted that the last rider will be unexpected, and eragon going gay would be very unexpected. well i thouhgt i’d just mess with ur heads some.
August 19th, 2008 at 11:30 amin case your wondering why i put my stupid theroys in its becuase i didnt feel like repeating stuff that everyone had already picked over i just deiceded to add a new idea to the slough of ideas already out there.
August 19th, 2008 at 11:58 ami can respect your stupid theories iko, as they wouldnt be the first after the arya-lezbo and saphira rapist theories…but dioxide45 and tylier need to grow some sort of brain within their skulls. their “genious new ideas” have been stated and debated already, and not that long ago either! for example, i will take tyliers introductory works:
Alright i might be way of here but… I think brom is eragons father, The twins found the connection of the mother and assumed that Morzan was his father. Mur’taugh could say that in the anciant language because he belived that to be true. Also in eldest before eragon leaves du weldenvarden for Surda Blagden (that pesky bird) make a prodiction.
‘While two may share two”
“one of the two is certanly one,
one might be two.
My enterpratation…
1st line- While Murt’augh and eragon are brothers, they may share 2 sets of parent( brom and selan and morzan and selana)
2nd line- One of the two is certainly his parents…Selana both of there mothers.
3rd line- This has me confused anyone have a ideas?
Besides it all fits broms dragons name was saphira, soforth he has a blue sword…
EVERYTHING that you said and attempted to usurp credit for has been argued on to the point of a mental explosion! your miserable attempt to interpret blagdens fortune has an obvious error, and that riddle has already been thoroughly deciphered. you say, i may be way off here, and then suggest that brom is eragons father. if you had the mental capacity to think to read previous posts so that you dont sound like a fool then you might have actually realized that nearly everyone who currently uses this site has agreed that brom is eragons father! and dioxide45, post 499 and others make your “revolutionary” theory of the weapon under the menoa tree being a spell completely worthless. i am now going to politely ask both of you if you got all of your ideas from the movie, in case you dont realize, thats an insult. the idiots responsible for that mockery of such great ideas didnt even take the time to make arya’s ears into points!
August 19th, 2008 at 6:53 pmSorry kid i havent read all 686 posts those were my thoughts.
August 19th, 2008 at 7:15 pmas for the movie… i havent seen it but im reading eldest for the 22nd time and yess i got some of my ideas from previous postss but after reading like 12 of them, those were my thoughs, thanks.
August 19th, 2008 at 7:23 pmsry, i just felt like having a good rant, nothing personal.
August 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pmOne of my thoughts is How will Galbatorix come back from the defeats and losses, aside from gaining Murtaugh as a servant?
1. Defeat at Farthen Dur
Urgal army defeated
Loss of Durza
2. Dwarves attack
3. Surda attack
4. Elf attack (Islandzadi’s letter)
5. Urgal attack
6. Defeat at burning plains
Conscription army weakened
7. Carvahall attack
8. Most of the Black Hand Organization destroyed
9. Defeat of Ra’zac most likely
Aside from himself and Murtaugh, things aren’t looking the greatest for the Empire.
August 19th, 2008 at 9:34 pmYess, that would be a hard loss, i want to know what the elves did attacking from the north! elves rock =D
August 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pmWhy is it that i always seem to come back when the suggestion of someone being gay has just been mentioned!? (Lol)
August 20th, 2008 at 12:06 amK, hi to all the regulars (Robbo, Terrapin, Smart Guy, ect) and as for the new people, some rather…interesting theories.
The first thing that i would like to say that Iko, there are to many coincidences concerning the book and the name for it to just be something Cp wants to laugh about.
And Smart Guy do you think that as for Shruikan having a multi conciseness thing has anything to do with the vault of souls? Just a thought.
Btw, Tyleir, all copying previous posts does is irritate people coz they have already read them.
As something else to talk about how do you think Galbatorix lost his army in the spine in the first place?
well the spines kinda a strange and dangerous place, its surrounded by a whole lot of stories that end badly, they probably all got eaten or somthing. btw, glad to see u again, everyone thats been on here for the past few days have been spewing nothin but stupidity
August 20th, 2008 at 2:51 amLol, thanx, good 2 be back.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:14 amI agree, the Spine is a really strange place. I think that there must have been some kind of reason that Galbatorix lost his army. I mean how do you just loose thousands of men in a forest? And the rumors about the place have to have come from somewhere. I think that those facts have something to do with what may be coming in the next book.
they couldve all been deserters and theyre the ones who made up the stories to scare galbatorix from finding them
August 20th, 2008 at 3:52 amhmm… remember how when eragon was checking nar garzvog’s memories he saw that he had been raised in the spine? maybe they were ambushed by urgals?
August 20th, 2008 at 10:34 amCould the vault of souls have anything to do with Vroengard?
August 20th, 2008 at 1:23 pmI am thinking why he sent the army into the Spine in the first place?
August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pmi think it was just untamed territory like the beorors or du weldevarden and galbatorix just wanted to get his grasp on more land within the empire, though its not such a far stretch to say theres something else behind it. an urgal attack is another possibility smartguy.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pmWhen Eragon is healed and given elf abilities here is the quote from the book “He heard THE VOICE OF FIRE say our gift to you”
That must have something to do with Brisingr
August 20th, 2008 at 1:48 pmi just think that because it was dragons talking, they have firey breath, cuz they can actualy breath fire, its more descriptive when you say a voice spoke in some way rather than saying a voice just spoke. english 101.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWho here thinks that there is a small chance Selena if still alive? It said that she left, but there was no 100% confirmation that she was dead.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:54 pmin response to post 700
August 20th, 2008 at 1:55 pmOH
i think murtagh said she was dead, someone already commented on that awhile ago.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:58 pmok
August 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pmok
lol haven’t read thru all posts yet
August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pmMy thoughts on characters to die
Oromis/Glaedr: They are old and crippled, might sacrifice themselves for Eragon
Murtaugh: Rival of Eragon, maybe sacrifice himself for Eragon
Elva: Nasuada’s meatwall, assassin, spy (before she is removed of curse)
Adding on to this, the “curse” wasn’t all that bad.
He still said may luck and happiness follow you.
Orrin: Black Hand target, might blow up himself in laboratory, ruler of Varden killed (Ajihad), then ruler of dwarves killed (Hrothgar), next on the line is Surda ruler
Islandzadi: Old ruler, same point as Ajihad, Hrothgar (both leaders of faction killed)
August 20th, 2008 at 2:18 pmthe luck and happiness follow you thing has nothing to do with elva personally, happiness follows her because she saves peoples lives. and remember when she saves nasuada she asks how she got away from her room and elva replies that angela was out and she told her caretaker what she wanted to hear, which made her VERY HAPPY. point made, i think that islanzadi will be the one to die because i can recall arya telling eragon that in the elves culture a monarch does everything to serve their people and if that means death then they embrace it with some big word that i forget. and selena fell ill and died a month after returning from ditching eragon
August 20th, 2008 at 6:04 pmhmm… maybe galbo sent his army in after the urgals? during broms “narration” near the beginning of eragon he says that galby’s dragon was killed by a stray arrow and then galbo crosses the spine for months when it took days on a dragon… i dont think it actually says where they were, so maybe they were in the spine and galbatorix sent his army after the urgals as revenge and didnt go personally because he was terrified of the same thing happening now? the last bit may be a stretch but hey…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:08 pmo and to raliah im just wondering if galbo forced that black magic on shruikan 2
August 20th, 2008 at 6:23 pmokay guys i have some theroys that actually make some small sense.
Has anyone noticed that the next generation of riders (eragon and murtangh) have all not been children? i think that it makes sense that the next rider would also be an adult or someone like an adult (vanir is considered a child but is like 20 or something)
and i cant remeber my other stuff.
oh yeah!
Katrina and sloan are the people with royal blood. We know that the decendants of that king had a history of assassinations and BETRAYAL. sloan betrayed katrina and everyone else. i still think that eragon wont marry her becuase well that would just be messed up, though it would fit n with the screaming person being roran, because he lost the love of his life.
As for who gets preggers? im thinking it saphira because we know weather or not she finally finds a mate in the 3rd book (spoiler i heard somewhere)
August 21st, 2008 at 2:43 pmguys i was thinking so i checked the pronouciation of Saphira’s name and its Suh-FEAR-uh not anything to do with saphires so if thats what ur basing the idea that broms dragon was blue then i kinda just shot that theroy to peices, if you have a better idea and some facts as to why his draogn was blue please tell
August 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pmI also dont think that broms dragon was blue i think it was a totally random color that has nothing to do with anything and that we will never find out unless the thing brom told eragon before he died had something to do with it or a clue as how to beat galbotorix. And the way saphira’s name is prounounced is stupid!!!! why would that matter. people say stuff different and mayb CP is just a hick that cant say sapphire so he said it weird. idk but oh well. AND WHO ARE THE IDIOTS THAT KEEP REPEATING CRAP. B4 YOU POST STUFF READ THE WHOLE DAMB LIST. IT WONT TAKE BUT LIKE 30 MINUTES SO TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT. I AM SICK OF HEARING BROM IS ERAGONS DAD AND ABOUT BLAGDENS RIDDLE AND WHO YOU THINK IS GOING TO DIE EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW YOU STOLE THE EFING IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pmsorry guys i needed to vent and i am bored so i just said it
August 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pmHere Here!!!! totaly on Eragon!!!!!!’s side, lol
August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm(stupid comment alert!!!!)
August 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pmMaybe brom is gay, thats why his romances were doomed, because he could never fall in love with a girl and if he fell in love with a guy, he more than likely didnt feal the same way seeing as how homosexuality was more frowned upon in those days.
lol, just a stupid comment;)
IKO, you have just joined the group of people that i have resolved to hit if i ever meet. if you have read any of teh previous posts then you would realize that I PERSONALLY STATED that broms dragon is probably red because of his magic and other stuff that i forget… and the pronunciation of saphira’s name has nothing 2 do with that, what did you think it was suh-FIE-rah? the only half decent thing that you have said is giving your opinion on who gets babyfied, as that discussion was fairy recent and never fully closed.
wow i just realized how much of a (i forget the word but it means group of people who dont accept newcomers) we have become, like all of the regulars and semi-regulars (myself included) are just rejecting you new people. im sorry, but you still piss me off so do something 2 redeem yourself soon cuz i dont like being mad at people
August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 pmwho are you mad at smart guy. just a question but who do you wan2 hit??????
August 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pmJeez, hope it’s not me, lol.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 amGood post Eragon!!!, very entertaining.
I get what you mean Smart Guy, it seems the regulars are like new-people haters in a way! But it does get Kinda frustrating after a while.
Travalino pleeeze tell me you were joking about Brom being gay!
Oh and Smart Guy i don’t think that Shruikan would have been able to resist the black magic if he was only a hatchling. Plus being a young dragon it would have been all the harder to have the rider whom he had just hatched for torn away so he would have been unable to stop Galbatorix and Morzan. However if the magic was forced on him then maybe there is a way to undo it and save Shruikan.
lol, yeah i was just messing around, didnt u see the (STUPID COMMENT ALERT!!!) at the top, lol, just trying to liven the place up
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 amthough it could be true, i mean its not unheard of for a popular book character to be gay, just look at dumbledore… lol
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 amYeah i did see the stupid comment alert, i was just being an idiot lol (totally bored @ the moment). But seriously i wonder that if Brom was gay, who would he be gay WITH? Ewww nasty thought…it could have been Morzan!
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 ami think that shruikan will end up free, maybe eragon releases him from the magic in the middle of the battle with galbo?
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 amI was just re-listening to eragon and realized that when arya uses magic it is green. It was right after she and saphira destroyed the star saphire. It lead me to agree with others that arya will get a dragon and it will be green. When she raises her hand a green ball of energy shoots from it. Just a thought!
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pmraliah, are you thinking that it would be something like the dumbledore- grindelwald thing from harry potter??
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pmif aryas dragon is a boy and she’s a girl, eragons dragon is a girl and he’s a boy. I guess the whole thing does sound kind of gay. LOL
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:50 pmBut seriously, I wonder if Arya’s father had a green dragon. I can’t remember his name. Wasn’t it the rider who almost killed Galbatorix but hesitated and was killed. I really don’t think it is oromis. Someone said that somewhere else and I disagree.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pmguys i did read the whole list of stuff, before posting and sorry smartguy but i was just thinking yu guys are really dumb and didnt know about stuff jeez if you want me to stop posting i will so you “regulars” can have discussions wanted to put in some new ideas
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pmand i love how you guys completly ignored my “new riders are all adults/teenagers” theroy really make me feel good when people ignore me and then threaten violence, plus smartguy i was kinda trying to defend your point, but hey if you dont wanna see it that way no skin of my back (oh crap, i just realized this could turn into a marksmen scene, sorry)
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:46 pmwell i think that since Morzan is Eragons and Murtaghs father i’m thinking it runs in the bloodline or something so that Roran will hatch a dragon and help to defeat Galbatorix!! Just putting my idea out there. I agree with Eragon meeting the fire god and master the fire element or that brisingr is part of his true name that Murtagh hinted in eldest that Galbatorix knew there true names so… who knows cant wait for the book to come out
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 pmto iroc great idea about the gem stone in the riders room creative very creative
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:40 pmto add to galbo killing the rider before he touched the new born dragon cause in the first book eragon touched the dragon and he connected with it leaving him a mark so maybe that could be why shurikan didnt die
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmwow i am seriously the only one on right know thats boring i kinda want to hear more theorys you guys have intrigued me beyond beleif…
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmwow, i feel pretty mean now, its nothing personal iko, and that was a good observation about the older riders thing. o and shutty, i would like to POLITELY point out that rorans connection to the riders bloodline through morzan is that it his sister is his wife, so no blood relation. just lettin ya know… and while the shruikan never touched a rider theory… it is possible, and that would support my theory that shruikan is the father of the next generation of free dragons… but galbo would have to be there right when he hatched, because i think that the would be rider would be so eager that he would touch shruikan immediately… good idea tho! im happy 2day:) yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmhum ya good point
well i kinda want CP to give eragon an really good weapon under the tree to help him defeat galbo but i like the theaory someone before me stated tht galbo was using souls for the source of his power fits nicely but i think when eragon says his name he gets the same power as galbo not weakning him and murtagh solebum said he would recive power so it wouldnt make sense tht he would weaken galbo but just my thoughts
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmp.s. good way 2 redeem urself iko
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmTo Akshat
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 amI wasn’t really meaning as in the Harry Potter theory about Dumbledore @ all. I only read the last couple in the series. I thought they were boringly predictable for my taste. I was just joking.
And Iko, yes you comment on the riders being all young children except for the newest generation was valid i suppose. I think that the main reason for the fact that now they are older is because they don’t have time in the books to wait for year after year until they finally grow up. I do like your theory and before when i said that we are like, new people haters i was being sarcastic. No need to get offended. We reply in good time K?
who the freak is planata and where did he/she come from???? what kind of idiot thinks that arayas dad was a rider, let alone the leader of the riders (who was human) jeez… arayas dad was the elf king and thats it, people need to read!!!
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:02 amAnd shutty, murtagh SAID PLANELY, not “hinted,” that galbi knew HIS and THORN’S true names, never did he say that galbi knew Eragon’s!!!
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 ampg 650 “he knows are ture names, eragon…. we are his slaves forever” maybe im reading it wrong but doesnt it mean that he knows eragons to just a thought
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pmoh shit lol my bad rereading it and your right travalino srry for the inconvenience :p
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 pmwatch ur language! i wont tolerate such foul terms
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmlol, sorry bout the anger, just got tired of some of the stupidity lately, most of the time i just dont even read it but…. just been bored
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmOkay personally i believe that that girl Eragon Blessed (i forgot her name) will be the new rider… it just makes sense.
Brom was Eragon’s father, the end.
Angela (i believe) is actually Selena, Eragon’s mother… think about it a quick second, thats why she knows so much about everything… and she could easily lie about selena coming to her for her prediction.
What i think is either Roran or Katrina die at Helgrind because Eragon and Saphira cannot kill Murtagh and Thorn… either that OR (Darker theory) Saphira dies at the end of Brisingr and thus “Eragons power is insfficient” so he goes to the vault of souls to get Saphira back…
I think, in his arrogance, Galbatorix already knows Eragon’s true name, and he opens that same vault to give murtagh his increased power, he just gives him the souls of old riders and he uses them to become uber, get it? thats why king g is so powerful, he contains the powers of all riders.
thats all
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmgood idea lol i like angela being eragons mother selina makes sense in a away
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pmGodfried, it has all been said before, and i still dissagree with every statement that that you spewed forth upon your keyboard.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmwow guys guys guys i can see steam coming from my keyboard we have all discussed every possibility from arya being lezbo and brom being gay and such no need to get in a huffy but before you add a comment read through all of them
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:32 pmAnd, as ive challenged before, give me any reason why u think eragon is brom’s son and i will counter it, though we all know that all of this knowlege is incomplete thanks to the lack of ending thus far.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:32 pmhmmm…….. it seems we are all getting annoyed with each other. on a happier note less than 1 month until Brisingr comes out! and Raliah i feel sorry for you that you have to wait a week longer to get the book. honestly i get so bored sometimes i might just type up the whole thing for you when i get it if you dont like speacial order from the states and get it early.
and are we gunna immediatly start discussing stuff about book after we have all finished reading brisingr for the 5th time? cuz i really dont wanna do that till we figure out book 4’s title so we dont have to spend like a year or two discussing.
and shutty we havent discussed all the wierd theroy’s. like an uragal rider. now lets see how many people think i’m weird for saying that.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pminteresting (if unlikely) theory about selena godfried, but at the end im not really getting you. you lost me completely with the galbatorix already knows eragons name thing, which is next 2 impossible because galbatorix has never met him, and while i do agree that galbatorix may have the power of the souls of the riders, that doesnt complete how his power has been increasing if he ONLY got power from the riders he killed
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pmwhat page in eldest does it say that eragon stepped on a green egg shell i cant find it it would be cool if there would be dwarf rider to mix it up a bit… like orik said that there hasn’t been a dwarf rider yet so it be cool for CP to mix it up
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:47 pmits in the chapter where saphira plays rapist… and iko, the 4th book will most likely be titled empire, but that may change now with the new book and junk
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pmhumm have we already discussed what promises would happen in brisingr and what promises would happen in the fourth book if so ive missed it and have to go back lol
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pmTo Travalino:
If you don’t like reading the same ideas over and over and over again. Go somewhere else and read. All you seem to give is critisism. People are just throwing there ideas out there. Everything you do is in poor taste. You DO have control over what sites you visit don’t you? Haven’t you heard the term, “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” You should really follow that.
As for everyone else, I love all the great and no so great ideas about what’s to come. I can’t wait for the 20th of September.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:50 pmhey im back, travelino i agree with you everyone here cant w8 for sept 20 and its sure going to be an…..interesting day to say the least.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 pmwoops i mean planat i agree with you lol woops
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 pmwell planat or watever y should we post the same ideas. i mean we have brains for a reason and there not there to pick over an idea that has ben picked over for almost 500 posts. we need some new stuff like this……………….
Ok. here it goes……….
in a minute…………
BINGO………….
NEW IDEA………….
ok The royal person eragon loves is roran. because Roran might have the royal bloodlines and eragon loves him like a brother!!! the prophecy never said it would be like love love or anything it just said it didnt know if it would b good or not. and because he loves roran(like a brother)then he goes to hellgrind to help him. and that may turn out bad or good. we will just have to wait. and i say this because perhaps eragon gets over arya even though he is friggin obseesed.
And just a question am i considered a “regular” ive ben with this thing since like post 197 but my name was randomness so i changed it to Eragon!!!!! cuz i like it better
and another question. HOw in the world do you come up with names like planat and shutty. is shutty like a knock off of the word slutty??????
and godfrind or something all i have to say bout that is WOW!!!!!
and also where did all these newbies come all from. i mean like 8 in 5 days. not that thats a bad thing.
well let me know what you think of my roran being the royal lover whos like a bro.
peace out
ps…. and is anyone on here from NC
August 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pmoh and another pss
OMG TOMAROW IS THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
August 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pmOf course Eragon!!, if you’ve been here that long.
August 24th, 2008 at 6:17 pmPlanat, as for you i have no problem with newbies but look as far as im concerned you can leave yourself if you have a problem with us. Travalino has been here longer.
To Iko, lol, don’t worry I’ve ordered it already, thanx though.
Eragon!!!, i can understand what you mean about Eragon’s love for Roran. That is quite interesting, a new take on something. I suppose that i never thought about it like that. It could be possible, i mean Cp would have totally blindsided fans by doing it.
a nice twist on the royal love thing, but i seem to recall angela saying an “epic romance”… so that would turn a shocking twist into a creepy homosexual disaster… and i remembered my idea from earlier, remember how orik came to visit eragon in his tree, well it struck me that cp wouldnt have put that there for fun, so i read it in detail and realized that orik answers saphira’s question of: is she of durgrimst ingeitum also? with: of courshe, thinkest thou i would marry outshide minsh clan! so i figured, since eragon is also of durgrimst ingeitum, if he would be turned on if he tried to pursue a relationship with an outsider… thoughts?
August 24th, 2008 at 7:59 pmps… where are u from eragon!!!!? school doesnt start 4 another week and a bit 4 me
August 24th, 2008 at 8:10 pmhey guys i know i’m a newbie and stuff but i was looking over the books one more time and i got a crazy idea what do you guys think about the menoa tree lady being Broms lover it would connect with Broms sword being under it or Eragon inheriting Broms sword just a thought
August 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pmidk, that seemed like she lived a long time b4 brom was even born, ill have to reread to be sure though. and smartguy, i think that eragon would be turned against if he did marry a dwarf, almost all of them dislike him if not loath him.
August 24th, 2008 at 11:08 pmIn one of the books i forget which one it says eragon will never set foot on alegeasia again maybe he flys to a new land he finds and he convinces the people there to help him fight G. Then once the war is over he goes with the new rider (which i do beleive is female) and goes to live on the new land. Just a thought i might throw out there.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:04 amit was said in the first book when angela told eragons fortune. and if that were true he would have to go back to alegasia after he leaves in order to lead the new people into battle and to meet and sail away with the new rider, which would be impossible if he was to never set foot in alegasia again.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:22 amHey guys i havent been able to get on for a few days (ISP problems). and eragon angela does say ist an epic romance and i already proved that its katrina and sloan who are of noble birth because they betrayed each other (it says somewhere in eldest the king’s descendants betrayed each other) and really guys i dont see what the problem with newcomers is. as long as they read all the posts maybye they have new ideas we havent even thought of.
and blizz you made me think of something. what if he does leave but he never gets off saphira so HE never sets his foot on the ground. CP could have had a hidden meaning when he said that (but that prolly wont happen till book 4)
also have you guys read the book 3 excerpt (im bad a spelling) from the speacial edition of eldest? really all it says pretty much is that eragon and roran are hunting the ra’zac and that galbo has alot of protection around them.
oh crap i had a disturbing theroy. what if saphira gets pregnant from those adult ra’zac (cant remeber name) and the thing that comes out of the egg is somewierd ra’zac dragon mix. i really shouldnt have said that,, and i know its gross but that what goes through my mind. dont ask me why
August 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am-_- once again iko u claim credit 2 my theory of sloan being of royal blood…and to rocketcost, while your theory about the menoa tree is possible, it seems unlikely because the tree was so important with the dragon thing… and the celebration is only around ever 100 years and brom was roughly 100 years old himself… but there is the connection that brom left in pursuit of selena… and angela said that he loved a woman but his affections proved to be her undoing… this could apply to either selena or the elf who became the menoa tree…
August 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amo and iko… for that thing with the lethrblaka… all i have to say 2 u is this… no, just no
August 25th, 2008 at 10:40 amnow that i went back to look at the story of the menoa tree i realized that the girl killed the man who betrayed her love so that cant include brom
August 25th, 2008 at 10:50 amo ya… i missed that
August 25th, 2008 at 11:05 amto smart guy
im from north carolina
and YAY more newbies hahahah. where are yall all coming from thats like 3 more in a day.
and wow just wow to the whole creepy homosexual desire thing. thanks for that wonderful image(sarcasm in case ya couldnt tell smart guy) hahahahaha but i got a laugh out of it.
holy cow…………. Razac+Sapphira=weird dragon thingy in the mountains that fight with there mind.
that was a pointless theroy.
AND i officially hate school. HOMEWORK on the first day. UUUGHH
and if i recall correctly i think i pointed out the whole royal blood in carvahall thing. i didnt know who it was but i said that someone there was. i think that mite of ben wen my name was still randomness but idk. and i really dont wan2 go and find it. but it was prolly in the 200’s
well thats all for now. hope i can think of something in school tomarow cuz we need a cool new theroy. (like my super cool thing about roran and eragons brotherly love) (i thought up that one after watchin the olyimpics closing ceromny) ( at least i think i did)
well peace yall
4 now
August 25th, 2008 at 9:42 pmyes i came up with the theroy of the person of royale descent on post 184
and ive ben wit this thing since post 164. i went bak and checked and yes the royale carhavallahhen was under randomness and im not trying to take any of your credit smart guy cuz i know you said the royal person was sloan and katrina but i just said that someone royal lived there not that it was them
August 25th, 2008 at 9:47 pmin an interview with cp he says that the varden stops trusting nusiado however you spell he name is pregnant with murtags baby thatalso explains the person who gets pregnant.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:04 amMaybe the spoiler that “Eragon will meet a god” simply describes him meeting King Galbatorix for the very first time… I mean it’s about time right? We’ll finally get to see Galbatorix’ true power, and its godlike compared to Eragon’s. He was after all the riders’ downfall and has been increasing his powers ever since.
I think Eragon and Galbo will face each other in the end of the third book and Oromis and Glaeder will show up to help Eragon escape because his powers are still insufficent at this point… (thus the rock of kuthian prophecy). And then Oromis and Glaeder die helping Eragon escape thus the book cover.
About the laughing villian… I’d like to think that it’s Shruikan. Think about it, a Joker(from Batman) like dragon that laughs a lot and has a maniacal grin on him all the time., now THAT is twisted!
Just wanted to share my thoughts on the topic if it’s okay with u guys.
PS. Can anyone tell me when will Brisingr come out in South East Asia? Specifically here in the Philippines.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:04 ami have not read all the comments and it amy have already been said but i think galbatorix will become weak and summon and ultra soul and become a shade or a “god”
August 26th, 2008 at 6:06 amsmartguy i’m sorry but i dont remember every single post, and i keep trying to aviod a marksmen scene yet it seems like you keep trying to pick a fight. and i already said that my ra’zac dragon thing was creepy and disturbing, cant you just leave me with my permanatly scarred mind from my brothers influence, jeez.
as for the galby being the god theroy, its interesting
August 26th, 2008 at 11:37 amsry, good ideas iko, sry if i forgot about you bringing up the royal blood theory, i keep forgetting that you were here b4 as randomness
August 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pmsry again that was eragon!!!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 4:38 pmi personally think that all the rubish about galbatorix growing in power everyday, is all just to keep people from challenging him. He cant actually be growing in power, especially since his first dragon died. When that happened to brom he lost power.
August 26th, 2008 at 6:03 pmwell the point is he is growing in power and oromis knows how remeber, so we’re gonna find out (hopefully) in the third book
August 26th, 2008 at 8:45 pmhey i had an idea, everybody thinks that the vault of souls explains galbo’s growing power with every year. why has nobody thought, “o maybe he just has heaps and heaps and heaps of gemstones that he just keeps on filling up?” surely that would be far easier to explain than some massive vault containing everybody ever killed by galbo+his people? correct me if im wrong tho
August 27th, 2008 at 6:04 amlol, dyzj, thats possible, but i dont think so, i mean, it may be easier, but if he were 2 fly into battle it would be a huge waste to cart all those jem stones with him… and murtagh didnt have any nearby either when he fought eragon… a good theory tho. i had a similar idea where he just uses magic 2 make shruikan stronger, then uses shruikans energy… the problem with that is that we dont know if their connection is strong enough 2 do that
August 27th, 2008 at 10:38 ami dont know why not, it may be an “unholy union” but theyre united none the less.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:06 pmoops, your right travalino. I had forgotten about the fact that oromis new how galby was growing in power.
oh well.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:21 pmhas anyone else felt that this book is almost as creepy as some of our posts? i mean, i just remembered when eragon was healing arya, it said, “at times his ears turned red, and he feverishly hoped that saphira didnt know what he was thinking…” and then oromis said: “remove your tunic, let me see what you are made of” and at the time i thought that a tunic was like a full body robe…
August 27th, 2008 at 6:48 pmand the time when eragon noted the lack of hair on oromis’s groin… im sry and i know that it probly pisses y’all off that i put those there but i couldnt resist… heres a theory to distract you guyz from that: maybe the urgals and magic users were given alageasia? i mean, nasuada did want the magic people gone, and she promised the urgals land… i know that it probly wont work with his vision of the guy screaming on the beach but o wel…
August 27th, 2008 at 6:53 pmi’ve a lot of therioes for what happens in d conclusion of the inhertience cycle….here is just sum of them..if u c flaws please point them out
THE GOD AND THE SPINE: Eargon meets the god in the spine and he is anti Gal. Gal lost half his army ter while the citizens of carvahall were able to pass throught unmolested.
Gal prob nos of the god and tat its n enemy as he sent an army in2 d spire prob 2 fight/kill it as ther is very little reason 2 otherwise send an army through d spire.
BROM EARGONS FATHER: i think brom is eargons dad..he loved selena n tat was wer downfall…2 have had a relationship wit here she wud have to have bn away from morzan for a lenght of time. Therefore if she got pregant durin tat time it wud arise suspision..so she fled to carnaval that journey, the pregnacy and the return journey so quickly after giving birth resulted in her death. Brom followed her but missed her in carnaval, it wud hav been easy enough for him 2 find her brother. He never indoresed Eargon as his son as tat wud make him a target for Gal to get 2 brom with..He then stayed in carnaval n kept an eye on his son as morzan was dead and a egg had been recovered and of course his paternal instinct. he may also have wanted 2 see wud d egg hatch for Eargon. He told d story of d riders downfall twice n d lst time was at the mst conventent time for eargon 2 hear it jst b4 he was goin 2 bcome a man at 16…
i have more therioes but tis comment is huge as it is so il post them at a l8r date
August 27th, 2008 at 8:55 pmSo far I have only read as far as the 75th comment and I am seeing the comments saying Brom is Eragon’s uncle…This is not possible…Wouldn’t Garrow recognise his own brother living in the same town. and if he can’t be Morzan’s brother cuz Brom would definatly know about that
August 27th, 2008 at 10:56 pmMurtagh is coming back to the good side for sure. CP would be mean not to do that. That would made the cycle have an unhappy ending for me. Murtagh is a favourite of mine. Eragon went through to much pain to first grieve for Murtagh, only to find he survived but has been corupted by Galbatorix. Murtagh will be freed from Galby’s clutches. Reply and let me know what you think.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:39 pmim sorry, but u should probably read more of the comments cuz that whole, brom is eragons uncle thing is soooo not even a subject anymore. people are more revolved aound the idea of him being eragons dad now, lol.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:07 amOmg, Smart Guy, you must be young if you think that the stuff in Eragon and Eldest is bad. Those are only books.
August 28th, 2008 at 3:39 amBishop, i’ve got to hand it to you, some of the theories do make sense but so do like hundreds of other comments that have been made on the books on those issues. It seems that you seem to have a suspicion about the loss of thousands of people into the spine, similar to my own.
And just for the record, i was new to the site when i made the suggestion about Brom being Eragon’s uncle and have since reversed my views. The other comments make far more sense now.
GOD DAMMIT JUST GIVE ME SUM GOOD SPOILERS!!! i know its really sad and i cant wait for the book but im like a lil 6yr old on xmas eve!!!
August 28th, 2008 at 6:15 amp.s. im not 6 im 13
evandar is aryas father to whoever wanted to know, and why hasnt debate sparked upon the “devastating death that awaits readers” that CP mentions, (maybe saphira or arya or murtagh. And im amazed that there is atleast 3 nzers here (incl me)Arya is highly unlikely to become a rider …
August 28th, 2008 at 6:38 amwow, more new people… bishop i like your idea about there being a god in the spine, but do u hav an idea what god? there hav been theories that its a dwarf god, but then shouldnt it be closer to the beors? if it is the grey folk, then it would seem like a good place for them to hide… and to biceps, a bit of a debate was happening a while ago, but nothing 2 huge. there were theories about it being nasuada, and some other people that i forget… we also kinda wrapped up the “preggo” debate right when i gave my theory so no1 really commented on it, and i want u new peoples opinion… remember how maud said “aye, a good one he is” when eragon told her about solembum, and i’m pretty sure that solembum started purring when eragon told him about maud, maybe maud gets pregnant, i mean, werecats are rare enough that it would be important 2 have a nother one, and he wouldnt make the spoiler 2 obvious… i also read that he had an “interesting chapter on werecats to write” so that could be about that… of course it could be saphira like lots of people said before, because i think it says that in book 3 we will find out if she ever finds a mate…
August 28th, 2008 at 10:28 amok newbies read the whole dang thing before you start posting you just make yourself sound stupid sorry but its the truth. and CURSING BAD SO DONT SAY GD EVER AGAIN YOU PERSON WHO SAYED THE 6 YEAR OLD GIRL OR SOMETHING GD IS A VERY BAD WORD AND IF YOU EVER SAY IT AGAIN I WILL GET YOU BANNED FROM THIS SITE SO DONT SAY IT. EMILY YOU WILL BE EJECTED IF YOU KEEP TYPING THOSE WORDS!!!!
And I also think i mite of said something about maud becoming preggo but i didnt make it big in my post cuz i had a theroy i thought was better (this was when i was still randomness) and it mite of been elva who i said would get pregnet cuz i think that elva is a lot like a were cat as to the fact that she is kinda creepy and follows nausada around and has alot of wisdom and is like super small amazing super hero girl hahaha. but maud follows around izlandi and solembum follows angelena and elva follows nausada so i think that elva may become a werecat or she mite already be one we just dont know it
August 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pmMotion seconded Eragon!!!. Cursing that name in full typing is going to offend someone-you’ve already ofended me with it.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:51 amI’ve never really considered a werecat baby… eugh creepy.
But i think that there is something more than that about it.
They said in the books that like dragons, werecats were powerfully magical creatures ‘flitting around the edge of the tales of magic and mystery’. As for Solembum purring when Maud was mentioned, do you think the two could be related in some way as a random thought. I might be wrong but when Eragon was letting Solembum know he said ‘I met one of your KIN in Elesmera.’
Odf course he could jsut be refering to the race.
Let me know.
P.S, In relation to the newbies, Terrapin is that you doing all this? It wouldn’t be the first time, but i don’t see your point this time.
L8a
well…tokin abt sum1 gettin pregnent…i believe tht it could be Katrina…you never know tht she can mutate into a razac in the same manner after saphira hatched for eragon…so most probably…the razacs took katrina inorder to survive…as in keep their species away from extinction…
it could be possible…
August 29th, 2008 at 4:10 amsimilarly…i believe tht it would suggest tht roran would be the most probable character to die if my previous theory is true…orelse it would create another string for CP to complete….
if so…there could be a possibility tht it would be a climax between his relation with his brother and also his life…if this theory is true..i predict roran will die toward the end of the book coz he would have lost the will to live…(he did all tht jus for katrina..n figures tht there is no proper future with her nemore…)
quite far fetched…but logical
August 29th, 2008 at 4:20 amnot so logical with the whole katrina-ra’zac thing… and eragon!!!! im pretty sure that u didnt right the maud theory, i searched her name and it only showed me and ur post 794 and raliah’s … and to raliah im pretty sure that he just meant race, as how would he know if they were related? and as for elva aleady being a werecat… i wont deny that its possible as she has no parents that we know but i think its unlikely… her behaviour is probably just a result of eragons blessing
August 29th, 2008 at 11:59 amwell duh, it said specificaly in the book that it was because of eragons blessing, lol. though it would be such an aesome and strang twist the she was somehow related to werecats.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:10 pmPersonally i don’t think that Elva is a werecat. It would make things more messy in her already complicated life. But she might grow up to learn from them or something like that. As for how it was said that CP had -an interesting chapter on werecats to write- do you think that it might have something to do with where they came from? It seems that every other race in the book has a place where it is thought that they came from except the werecats.
August 29th, 2008 at 9:28 pminteresting… maybe they come from the spine? or (obviously) they came over with the elves or humans… there isnt really any other way i can think of
August 29th, 2008 at 10:04 pmI like ure thories of the last dragon rider being a male, but if the last dragon was to mate with saphira, then Eragon and Annonymus turn gay since like sapphira said in eldest, if a rider chooses a wife, the dragon becomes attached to, other way around as well , so…
August 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pmalso, i had a dream that the new villain that laughs a lot is an Elf, a royal 1 too, ill find out soon enough tho..
August 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm